JFK Thunderstorms
Let’s everyone be careful out there. I have witnessed some strange things in the last month. On the 22nd at JFK with level 5 thunderstorms in the area a KLM flight took off with a 16 knot tailwind on 22R with a huge cell 3 miles N and tower calling a wind shear alert. After a runway switch to 4 a Aero Mexico flight accepted a take off clearance with no available departure path and WS alerts and only cancelled take off when they got a onboard WS alert. 2 minutes later a Ethiopian inbound flight landed on 4R after declaring a fuel emergency. As they touched down we were getting onboard radar windshear alerts for the arrival corridor. The cell over JFK had tops reported at 56,000 feet at that time. |
Nothing wrong being reminded of the dangers of extreme WX, for example and the pssible consquences, should things not go according to plan.
We're all fallible, each and every one of us. I have fear of T/S's among other things in aviation. If we don't have fear therefore respect of possible consquences, we're in the wrong business. It's helped keep me alive up until now. |
I was in JFK a couple of months ago in the queue for a 22 R departure but facing up towards the ILS arrival path during particularly bad weather, causing >1 hour ground and air delays. We were surprised when our PWS went off as we were in the queue stationary on the taxiway. Suffice to say, the next couple of arrivals on the approach went around. One of the times we were glad to be on the ground with loads of excess fuel happy to wait it all out. |
It was actually the first time I have seen PWS work on the ground and we got multiple alerts on the 22nd. Nice to watch it in action so to speak.
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I thought Les Abend retired?
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Originally Posted by Sailvi767
(Post 10527466)
Let’s everyone be careful out there. |
Originally Posted by Sailvi767
(Post 10527466)
Let’s everyone be careful out there.
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Originally Posted by M.Mouse
(Post 10528898)
Is the implication of that statement that normally people aren't careful?
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Certain airlines in a hurry, "gethomeitis"? Commercial pressure raising it's ugly head again?
Sad how history has a habit of repeating itself. |
On the 22nd at JFK with level 5 thunderstorms in the area a KLM flight took off with a 16 knot tailwind on 22R with a huge cell 3 miles N and tower calling a wind shear alert. |
Originally Posted by Hotel Tango
(Post 10529294)
Fair enough, but for the sake of impartiality the DAL172 departed 3 to 4 minutes in front of the KLM. The KLM made his left turn slightly earlier than the DAL.
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Are you agreeing that both of them did risky departures? |
Originally Posted by hunterboy
(Post 10527771)
We were surprised when our PWS went off as we were in the queue stationary on the taxiway. |
Originally Posted by Dan_Brown
(Post 10529245)
Certain airlines in a hurry, "gethomeitis"? Commercial pressure raising it's ugly head again?
Sad how history has a habit of repeating itself. |
Originally Posted by Hotel Tango
(Post 10529294)
Fair enough, but for the sake of impartiality the DAL172 departed 3 to 4 minutes in front of the KLM. The KLM made his left turn slightly earlier than the DAL.
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Been a bad year for thunderstorms |
We have not had a major windshear accident in a long time. It breeds complacency. This cell had the ability to turn that 16 knot tailwind into 50 knots in the blink of a eye. It’s good to be lucky but luck eventually runs out. |
This cell had the ability to turn that 16 knot tailwind into 50 knots in the blink of a eye. It’s good to be lucky but luck eventually runs out. You've had your say and made your point. It may be valid and it may not. You were not sitting in either of those cockpits. |
These guys weren't that lucky.
Accident: Pan American Airways 759 |
That was 37 years ago on July 9th, 1982. Much has evolved since then!
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