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Disruptive Jet2 passenger getting a big bill

Old 24th Dec 2019, 06:56
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As a passenger and even more as flight crew there's nothing scarier than being trapped in a restricted space with a potentially violent person. Happened some years ago in a HS 748 over the Pacific and with no way out of the aluminium tube it was very stressful.
Throw the book at her.
I'm in no way condoning her actions, simply pointing out the over reaction and sensationalism of the reporting of the incident.

Far short of breathalyzing people as the come aboard there is no short answer. Cabin crew who refuse to serve alcohol to someone they suspect has already had too many can in itself trigger "air rage".
Smoking was banned some years ago so maybe it's time to effectively address alcohol consumption.


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Old 24th Dec 2019, 07:26
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The lady will get credit for her guilty plea, and her lawyer will likely argue, correctly, that at no point was the aircraft actually endangered (the ANO doesn't require that it has to be for the offence in question to be committed).

I doubt she's going to jail.
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Old 24th Dec 2019, 07:44
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Originally Posted by DaveReidUK View Post
The lady will get credit for her guilty plea, and her lawyer will likely argue, correctly, that at no point was the aircraft actually endangered (the ANO doesn't require that it has to be for the offence in question to be committed).

I doubt she's going to jail.
Suspended sentence contingent on treatment for alcohol seems most constructive approach. I doubt a 'short sharp shock' will deter either her or the next troubled person who's had far too many...
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Old 24th Dec 2019, 10:55
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Without the various reports I assume the court will be obtaining about the defendant's medical, psychological and social state who can say what effect a particular sentence will have upon her

However, as with the misuse of [email protected], it is important a message goes out from the Court that this behaviour will result in serious consequences and not merely a trip to AA. Otherwise there is no deterrent and CC and passengers will continue to be disrupted, frightened, assaulted and abused by others.
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Originally Posted by Nil by mouth View Post
The original sensational headline read "Air rage passenger, 25, who 'stormed cockpit'.
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Not sure how you determined that she is petite.
But she surely has not weathered well for a 25 Y.O.

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Old 24th Dec 2019, 12:09
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Originally Posted by WingNut60 View Post
Not sure how you determined that she is petite.
But she surely has not weathered well for a 25 Y.O.
From the original report
'She was only petite'
The photo of her being led away shows security head and shoulders above her.
​​​​​​​Alcoholics do not usually weather well at any age.
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https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-new...tried-21480826

Jailed for two years

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Old 12th Feb 2020, 14:58
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Another account of the sentencing from Sky News.

Chloe Haines jailed after attempting to open plane door midway through Stansted flight

The 26-year-old sobs through a court hearing following an incident in which she yelled "I'm going to kill you all".

Wednesday 12 February 2020 15:36, UK

A woman who yelled "I'm going to kill you all" and tried to open the door of a plane midway through a flight has been jailed for two years.

Chloe Haines, 26, was handed the prison sentence at Chelmsford Crown Court on Wednesday following an incident on board a flight from Stansted Airport on 22 June last year.

Two RAF fighter jets were scrambled to meet the Jet2 flight - which was heading to Dalaman, Turkey - and escort it back to the Essex airport.

Haines, who passengers and cabin crew had fought to restrain, was arrested by police when the plane landed.

A court later heard how she "blacked out and didn't really remember what happened" on the flight after mixing alcohol with medication.

Haines, of High Wycombe, had
previously admitted at a hearing in December to endangering the safety of an aircraft and assaulting cabin crew member Charley Coombe.

Ms Coombe suffered scratches as she tried to prevent Haines from opening the plane door.
Haines' barrister told a court last year his client was a "troubled young person with a number of serious issues".

He said "to her credit" that Haines had "engaged more fully with Alcoholics Anonymous".

Judge Charles Gratwicke said: "Those that are trapped in the confined space of the aircraft will inevitably be distressed, frightened and petrified by the actions of those who in a drunken state endanger their lives.

"For some it will be their worst nightmare come true."

Jet2 calculated that the incident cost them 86,000, the court heard.

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Originally Posted by rog747 View Post
She did not enter plea's - She's been bailed with a no-fly caveat - She is charged with assault by beating (Common assault, Battery - not ABH it seems) and recklessly endangering an air plane and persons - If she pleads guilty which no doubt her Lawyer will advise, then she may get 2-4 years plus the costs that Jet 2 want.
Good - she got 2 years....Has she got to pay Jet2's diversion bill and the fuel for the Typhoon shout?
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Good - she got 2 years....Has she got to pay Jet2's diversion bill and the fuel for the Typhoon shout?
Jet2 have huffed and puffed about sending her a massive bill (I've seen 85K quoted), but they would have to take her to court to get that enforced.

Given that the lady isn't going to be earning anything for the next 2 years, I don't see that happening.

As for the interception costs, I'm sure they will be allocated to training.
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Judge Charles Gratwicke said: "Those that are trapped in the confined space of the aircraft will inevitably be distressed, frightened and petrified by the actions of those who in a drunken state endanger their lives.


I think they’ve mis-spelled the Judges surname.
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Originally Posted by DaveReidUK View Post

As for the interception costs, I'm sure they will be allocated to training.
Why should they be?
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Originally Posted by DaveReidUK View Post
As for the interception costs, I'm sure they will be allocated to training.
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Why should they be?
Well beardy, because if you applied the same logic to Police enforcement no one usually gets billed by the Police for being arrested and found guilty of a crime.The Police are given a budget to carry out certain defined duties related to the apprehension and prosecution of suspected criminals amongst other things. Similalrly, Defence are given a budget some of which will be related to assisting other agencies when called upon and for this they will be allocated an annual budget. The difference is where someone wastes Police time. This is where they have not committed an offence as such, but their actions have resulted in the unnecessary expense of Police or maybe Defence resources. I don't think our 'lady of the flight' intentionally wasted Defence resources but rather it was Defence that was assisting the Police in the apprehension of someone who is now a criminal.
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Old 13th Feb 2020, 09:38
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Originally Posted by DaveReidUK View Post
Jet2 have huffed and puffed about sending her a massive bill (I've seen 85K quoted), but they would have to take her to court to get that enforced.

Given that the lady isn't going to be earning anything for the next 2 years, I don't see that happening.

As for the interception costs, I'm sure they will be allocated to training.
Jet2 won't shy away from making a point and I'm sure they will happily pursue her for the costs incurred. It has been done before.
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Old 13th Feb 2020, 10:02
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Originally Posted by Flying Wild View Post
Jet2 won't shy away from making a point and I'm sure they will happily pursue her for the costs incurred. It has been done before.
Good look to Jet2 with that. The young lady probably has a bank account that is seriously overdrawn.
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Good look to Jet2 with that. The young lady probably has a bank account that is seriously overdrawn.
Yes, it's great to make an example of someone for aviation safety although i doubt it will stop the next clown from doing exactly the same thing. It's in their DNA. In the meantime it's a bit sad for this young women, who unless she gets a lot of help soon will probably become a non- functioning member of society, more so than she already is. As for Jet2 pursuing her for costs? If they are, they really have lost touch with reality. After her stint in prison, this women is destined to become a ward of the state, a beneficiary, a net consumer of taxpayer funds, most likely for the rest of her life and all the while Jet2 holding so much power over her she could never rise above anything again. I know she presented a huge risk to a lot of people but at the same time I dont believe she remembered much of what she did or that she intended to do that. Contrast that with people who cause death and injury and know exactly what they are doing. I would have thought her age and mental condition might have warranted a more compassionate and remedial sentence rather than a lengthy..ish custodial sentence. Maybe a hefty fine which she has to work to pay off. I see it in my country so often. Addiction and mental disorders lead to criminal behaviour, police, court, prison, release and recidivist offending to start the cycle again and again in a continuing downward spiral. . But there is never any help for these people, just more punishment, and more prison. Society ultimately reaps what it sows by not attempting to help those that have potential to be helped rather than locking them up and throwing away the key.Dont get me wrong, I'm not soft on criminals. Leave me alone with a 911 type terroist fro 5 minutes! But this young person is not really in that league.... is she?
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Originally Posted by Lord Farringdon View Post
Well beardy, because if you applied the same logic to Police enforcement no one usually gets billed by the Police for being arrested and found guilty of a crime.The Police are given a budget to carry out certain defined duties related to the apprehension and prosecution of suspected criminals amongst other things. Similalrly, Defence are given a budget some of which will be related to assisting other agencies when called upon and for this they will be allocated an annual budget. The difference is where someone wastes Police time. This is where they have not committed an offence as such, but their actions have resulted in the unnecessary expense of Police or maybe Defence resources. I don't think our 'lady of the flight' intentionally wasted Defence resources but rather it was Defence that was assisting the Police in the apprehension of someone who is now a criminal.
In that case it is operational costs, not training.
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Originally Posted by DaveReidUK View Post
The lady will get credit for her guilty plea, and her lawyer will likely argue, correctly, that at no point was the aircraft actually endangered (the ANO doesn't require that it has to be for the offence in question to be committed).

I doubt she's going to jail.
Well speculated...!
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But for how long .. 2 years ! not going to happen. With an automatic 50% tariff and time off for good behaviour, she'll be home before next Christmas.
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