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IAG LOI for 200 737 MAX

Old 18th Jun 2019, 20:43
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IAG LOI for 200 737 MAX

I bet Walsh squeezed Boeing real good on this one.

For Level and Vueling? I thought, still think, Level has no chance to survive long term. Will be interesting to see how that develops.

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Old 18th Jun 2019, 20:49
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Yep, just like O’Leary did with the NG’s as a result of the downturn post 9/11.
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Old 18th Jun 2019, 21:06
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Ordering the MAX while it is still grounded I see as as poor ethics and a slap in the face to passengers it makes a mockery of safety comes first. I am personally boycotting BA in future on principal.
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Right up until they come up cheapest on a route you want to fly. Just like almost every other passenger.
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Don`t tell o`leary about 1 or 0 pilot operations
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Originally Posted by Giant Bird
Ordering the MAX while it is still grounded I see as as poor ethics and a slap in the face to passengers it makes a mockery of safety comes first. I am personally boycotting BA in future on principal.
Being in Melbourne, that's probably not a big deal for you......
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Originally Posted by Giant Bird
Ordering the MAX while it is still grounded I see as as poor ethics and a slap in the face to passengers it makes a mockery of safety comes first. I am personally boycotting BA in future on principal.
Considering it is pretty certain that Boeing will have to do a lot of work to prove that the MAX is safe before EASA allows it to fly in service again how you can you possibly say this order makes a "mockery of safety"?
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i see it as Walsh (who is not stupid) squeezing Boeing to get a very good deal. And it's only a LOI ... which will NOT convert to orders until the Max is fully re-certified.

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and Boeing needed a public showing of faith in the company and product, so they tempted IAG with a rediculous deal (which if it goes through includes retraining all of the LGW based crew back from Airbus to Boeing) to announce it now during the grounding.
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Is Germany allowing Max's back into German Airspace yet?
I saw a Norwegian Max got turned away recently and had to
land in Paris etc. So I presume not,
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Originally Posted by clipstone1
and Boeing needed a public showing of faith in the company and product, so they tempted IAG with a rediculous deal (which if it goes through includes retraining all of the LGW based crew back from Airbus to Boeing) to announce it now during the grounding.
And with a Boeing Training Centre already in Crawley, no peripheral costs to BA either.
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FWIW, at this point it is a letter of intent, not an order as yet.
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Is Germany allowing Max's back into German Airspace yet?
I saw a Norwegian Max got turned away recently and had to
land in Paris etc. So I presume not,
I can only assume that if it was a MAX it may have been a ferry flight. And very surprised that they hadn't sought the necessary clearances for the flight. Perhaps a cock-up somewhere.
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Old 19th Jun 2019, 17:46
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LOI means little these days, especially at an airshow...Probably got a real good break on the 787 orders for that 'announcement'
I dont think BA even has any single aisle Boeings in the mix, do they?

One very interesting bit of news from the Airshow, Boeing is now actually considering renaming the MAX....
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Old 19th Jun 2019, 17:56
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One very interesting bit of news from the Airshow, Boeing is now actually considering renaming the MAX....
Not so much renaming, just ditching the MAX tag and using the certificated designation, as evidenced in yesterday's IAG press release:

IAG signs letter of intent for 200 Boeing 737-8 and 737-10
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I wonder which party will do the paying.
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Old 19th Jun 2019, 22:33
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IAG Max LOI

Originally Posted by Giant Bird
Ordering the MAX while it is still grounded I see as as poor ethics and a slap in the face to passengers it makes a mockery of safety comes first. I am personally boycotting BA in future on principal.
Why boycott BA? The LOI is from IAG and I think it likely that the safety aspects will be resolved by first delivery in 2023.
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Originally Posted by Giant Bird
Ordering the MAX while it is still grounded I see as as poor ethics and a slap in the face to passengers it makes a mockery of safety comes first. I am personally boycotting BA in future on principal.
Poor Ethics?? The aircraft wont be delivered until long after the current challenges have been addressed. People need to get a grip, the MAX issue is a huge challenge to Boeing, but it will get addressed just like the other historical grounding events 787 Battery Issue, or DC10 Cargo Door/Pylon issues. The world keeps on turning.
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Old 20th Jun 2019, 15:50
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https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...premium-europe

Airbus claiming they never even received an invitation to tender for the deal...
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