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CaptainProp 18th Jun 2019 19:43

IAG LOI for 200 737 MAX
 
I bet Walsh squeezed Boeing real good on this one.

For Level and Vueling? I thought, still think, Level has no chance to survive long term. Will be interesting to see how that develops.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/marisag...or-airbus/amp/

nuisance79 18th Jun 2019 19:49

Yep, just like O’Leary did with the NG’s as a result of the downturn post 9/11.

Giant Bird 18th Jun 2019 20:06

Ordering the MAX while it is still grounded I see as as poor ethics and a slap in the face to passengers it makes a mockery of safety comes first. I am personally boycotting BA in future on principal.

Locked door 18th Jun 2019 20:12

Right up until they come up cheapest on a route you want to fly. Just like almost every other passenger.

arearadar70 18th Jun 2019 20:49

Don`t tell o`leary about 1 or 0 pilot operations

TheiC 18th Jun 2019 20:53

The very worst of the industry, laid bare. With special thanks to locked door.

Andy_S 18th Jun 2019 21:18


Originally Posted by Giant Bird (Post 10497009)
Ordering the MAX while it is still grounded I see as as poor ethics and a slap in the face to passengers it makes a mockery of safety comes first. I am personally boycotting BA in future on principal.

Being in Melbourne, that's probably not a big deal for you......

Groundloop 18th Jun 2019 21:26


Originally Posted by Giant Bird (Post 10497009)
Ordering the MAX while it is still grounded I see as as poor ethics and a slap in the face to passengers it makes a mockery of safety comes first. I am personally boycotting BA in future on principal.

Considering it is pretty certain that Boeing will have to do a lot of work to prove that the MAX is safe before EASA allows it to fly in service again how you can you possibly say this order makes a "mockery of safety"?

MPN11 19th Jun 2019 09:11

i see it as Walsh (who is not stupid) squeezing Boeing to get a very good deal. And it's only a LOI ... which will NOT convert to orders until the Max is fully re-certified.


clipstone1 19th Jun 2019 09:15

and Boeing needed a public showing of faith in the company and product, so they tempted IAG with a rediculous deal (which if it goes through includes retraining all of the LGW based crew back from Airbus to Boeing) to announce it now during the grounding.

kwaiyai 19th Jun 2019 09:16

Is Germany allowing Max's back into German Airspace yet?
I saw a Norwegian Max got turned away recently and had to
land in Paris etc. So I presume not,

ZFT 19th Jun 2019 09:19


Originally Posted by clipstone1 (Post 10497470)
and Boeing needed a public showing of faith in the company and product, so they tempted IAG with a rediculous deal (which if it goes through includes retraining all of the LGW based crew back from Airbus to Boeing) to announce it now during the grounding.

And with a Boeing Training Centre already in Crawley, no peripheral costs to BA either.

Lake1952 19th Jun 2019 14:33

FWIW, at this point it is a letter of intent, not an order as yet.

Hotel Tango 19th Jun 2019 15:45


Is Germany allowing Max's back into German Airspace yet?
I saw a Norwegian Max got turned away recently and had to
land in Paris etc. So I presume not,
I can only assume that if it was a MAX it may have been a ferry flight. And very surprised that they hadn't sought the necessary clearances for the flight. Perhaps a cock-up somewhere.

Smythe 19th Jun 2019 16:46

LOI means little these days, especially at an airshow...Probably got a real good break on the 787 orders for that 'announcement'
I dont think BA even has any single aisle Boeings in the mix, do they?

One very interesting bit of news from the Airshow, Boeing is now actually considering renaming the MAX....

DaveReidUK 19th Jun 2019 16:56


Originally Posted by Smythe (Post 10497818)
One very interesting bit of news from the Airshow, Boeing is now actually considering renaming the MAX....

Not so much renaming, just ditching the MAX tag and using the certificated designation, as evidenced in yesterday's IAG press release:

IAG signs letter of intent for 200 Boeing 737-8 and 737-10

ProPax 19th Jun 2019 19:55

I wonder which party will do the paying.

Maxfli 19th Jun 2019 21:33

IAG Max LOI
 

Originally Posted by Giant Bird (Post 10497009)
Ordering the MAX while it is still grounded I see as as poor ethics and a slap in the face to passengers it makes a mockery of safety comes first. I am personally boycotting BA in future on principal.

Why boycott BA? The LOI is from IAG and I think it likely that the safety aspects will be resolved by first delivery in 2023.
WW is in a class of his own.

"The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man."
George Bernard Shaw, Man and Superman (1903) "Maxims for Revolutionists"

Astir 511 20th Jun 2019 13:06


Originally Posted by Giant Bird (Post 10497009)
Ordering the MAX while it is still grounded I see as as poor ethics and a slap in the face to passengers it makes a mockery of safety comes first. I am personally boycotting BA in future on principal.

Poor Ethics?? The aircraft wont be delivered until long after the current challenges have been addressed. People need to get a grip, the MAX issue is a huge challenge to Boeing, but it will get addressed just like the other historical grounding events 787 Battery Issue, or DC10 Cargo Door/Pylon issues. The world keeps on turning.

Lord Bracken 20th Jun 2019 14:50

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...premium-europe

Airbus claiming they never even received an invitation to tender for the deal...


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