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Vegas-bound stag party who abused crew and exposed themselves on plane, jailed

Old 11th Jun 2019, 13:54
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Assuming the Airline has lots of spare cash to offer the Airport this solution on a regular basis.
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Old 14th Jun 2019, 12:40
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Originally Posted by ZFT View Post
Should have been required to pay compensation as well
And had their passports seized and banned from travel for 10 years and served with a life ban from any airline.
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Old 15th Jun 2019, 00:57
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What ever happened to the happy drunk?

You know, the dude who gets fed two/three cocktails, smiles, talks loudly, is quieted by the flight attendant, and then falls asleep?

I miss the happy drunks...


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Old 15th Jun 2019, 01:48
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Originally Posted by Thaihawk View Post
And had their passports seized and banned from travel for 10 years and served with a life ban from any airline.
I don't know about an airline ban but the length of their sentences would exclude them from e-Visa entry to Australia - for life.
And you don't get told that until you arrive at port of entry.
If you had overlooked that detail then you will probably get turned back onto the next flight out.
They could try their luck with a full visa application but there's no guarantee that they would get one that way either.

I think the USA and Canada have similar restrictions.
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Old 15th Jun 2019, 04:27
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Originally Posted by WingNut60 View Post
I don't know about an airline ban but the length of their sentences would exclude them from e-Visa entry to Australia - for life.
And you don't get told that until you arrive at port of entry.
If you had overlooked that detail then you will probably get turned back onto the next flight out.
They could try their luck with a full visa application but there's no guarantee that they would get one that way either.

I think the USA and Canada have similar restrictions.
The length of their sentences in your case would not be the reason to exclude the e-Visa entry into Australia.

The full visa application would probably have the same result as the e-Visa for the same reason.

I enjoy having a drink at airports at weird hours while in-transit or waiting for a flight and also a drink while in-flight, many others also do this responsibly. Similar that many pilots do not turn up to fly with any alcohol in their system - but some do and actually get to pilot again after being caught.

I am sure I would be happy to fly with a pilot that I knew had been once caught over the limit on duty before - everyone makes a big mistake or two, most of us quickly learn from them BUT not all.
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Old 15th Jun 2019, 05:33
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Originally Posted by Bend alot View Post
The length of their sentences in your case would not be the reason to exclude the e-Visa entry into Australia.
Unless you know something that I do not, then yes it would be the reason.

To be eligible for an Australian e-Visa or VOA, you must pass the character test.
That includes mandatory declaration of any criminal background and exclusion for anyone having a substantial criminal record.

A substantial criminal record encompasses being sentenced to a term of imprisonment for 12 months or more, whether served in full or not.

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Old 15th Jun 2019, 06:24
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Originally Posted by WingNut60 View Post
Unless you know something that I do not, then yes it would be the reason.

To be eligible for an Australian e-Visa or VOA, you must pass the character test.
That includes mandatory declaration of any criminal background and exclusion for anyone having a substantial criminal record.

A substantial criminal record encompasses being sentenced to a term of imprisonment for 12 months or more, whether served in full or not.
On application you get asked about criminal history, so to get granted an e-Visa you would need to have answered "NO" to that question.

So on arrival if the conviction is noted by immigration due shared information (and very likely), the entry will be denied for "supplying false or misleading information" this is not taken well under current policy - not the "sentenced period" of character assessment.

Similar is the case with a 600 Visitor Visa application, but a bigger chance the lie would be picked up during the visa process stage and visa denied.

Over the past years I have been following visas Australia has a high tolerance for drinking related issues, so if declared on the applications this offence maybe deemed acceptable for entry into Australia. Violence or drugs is currently a big NO.
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Old 15th Jun 2019, 07:09
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Originally Posted by ProPax View Post
They forbade smoking on planes. Has anyone ever seen a smoker start "exposing" himself or harrassing passengers after he had a full pack of Marlboro? Yet, the substance that is KNOWN to cause aggressive behavior is still openly and legally sold or even served free onboard an aircraft in all tastes and flavors.
I think the two are actually connected. My suspicion (any evidence ?) is that such out-of-control pax on board are typically significant smokers, who unlike anywhere else have been denied their cigarettes for significant hours, from the moment they enter the airport. Yes, they likely take to drink in attempted mitigation, airport bars, in-flight service, or downing their duty-free, but it is the absence of nicotine in their bodies which drives the behaviour.
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Old 15th Jun 2019, 16:56
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Originally Posted by WHBM View Post
I think the two are actually connected. My suspicion (any evidence ?) is that such out-of-control pax on board are typically significant smokers, who unlike anywhere else have been denied their cigarettes for significant hours, from the moment they enter the airport. Yes, they likely take to drink in attempted mitigation, airport bars, in-flight service, or downing their duty-free, but it is the absence of nicotine in their bodies which drives the behaviour.
I suspect the behaviour is entirely the result of how society as a whole has changed coupled with the influx of (dare I say) cheap travellers in our new "steerage class"
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Old 15th Jun 2019, 19:30
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I don't think booze is the sole problem.
I have offloaded pax at least twice in recent years whose pupils were so dilated, you could barely see any colour. They take a 'cheeky line' or whatever before they hit security- when you add booze, it becomes interesting. Whatever state they are in at ground level, it is at least twice as bad at 8000' cabin alt.
On another subject, why can't UK airports seal bottles in duty-free? Then make tampering with it in-flight an offence punishable by flogging...
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Old 15th Jun 2019, 19:37
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Originally Posted by toratoratora View Post
I don't think booze is the sole problem.
I have offloaded pax at least twice in recent years whose pupils were so dilated, you could barely see any colour. They take a 'cheeky line' or whatever before they hit security- when you add booze, it becomes interesting. Whatever state they are in at ground level, it is at least twice as bad at 8000' cabin alt.
On another subject, why can't UK airports seal bottles in duty-free? Then make tampering with it in-flight an offence punishable by flogging...
who are you going to flog it to ? The next load of self control challenged dipsticks that turn up at check in ??
Be lucky
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Old 15th Jun 2019, 20:05
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Not what I meant by 'flogging'...
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Old 15th Jun 2019, 21:03
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Originally Posted by WingNut60 View Post
I don't know about an airline ban but the length of their sentences would exclude them from e-Visa entry to Australia - for life.
And you don't get told that until you arrive at port of entry.
If you had overlooked that detail then you will probably get turned back onto the next flight out.
They could try their luck with a full visa application but there's no guarantee that they would get one that way either.

I think the USA and Canada have similar restrictions.
After their performance on this flight, good luck with any further transatlantic trips. They won't be welcome in either Canada or the USA.

They are also barred from New Zealand without a visa.

They should have engaged their little brains before getting drunk.

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