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I thought they were grounded?

Old 26th Mar 2019, 21:07
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I thought they were grounded?

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Old 26th Mar 2019, 21:10
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From the article

"the FAA grounded the 737 MAX following two fatal crashes since October but has allowed airlines to conduct flights without passengers to move planes to other airports"
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Old 26th Mar 2019, 21:24
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"the FAA grounded the 737 MAX following two fatal crashes since October but has allowed airlines to conduct flights without passengers to move planes to other airports"
surely any movements should have been undertaken by now?
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Old 26th Mar 2019, 21:24
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Is the EASA allowing the MAX to be re-positioned? There are news of an IG plane unable to leave CAI since the 12th.
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Old 26th Mar 2019, 21:45
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It was Southwest 8701, N8712L, a B-737 MAX 8 MCO-VCV.

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Old 26th Mar 2019, 21:54
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Victorville is generally where planes go to die. It has no commercial service.
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Old 26th Mar 2019, 21:55
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It didn't get too far, returned to MCO following an engine failure shortly after departure..
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Old 26th Mar 2019, 21:58
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Southwest is ferrying its 737 Max fleet to Victorville for storage.

https://onemileatatime.com/southwest-737-max-storage/
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Old 26th Mar 2019, 21:59
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Southwest making a commercial judgment - looking to store some airframes in Victoriaville as they think this may take a while - or fling for there to check out another issue on this aircraft.
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Old 26th Mar 2019, 21:59
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Originally Posted by n5296s View Post
Victorville is generally where planes go to die. It has no commercial service.
That is true, no commercial service. However both Boeing and GE have test facilities there. Also a paint shop for airliners. Southwest has decided to fly all 34 of its Max aircraft there for storage until they are cleared for passenger service. They have been flying 5-7 a day there since Saturday.


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Old 26th Mar 2019, 22:11
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Originally Posted by Airbubba View Post
It was Southwest 8701, N1712L, a B-737 MAX 8 MCO-VCV.

Wow, shortly after takeoff too, would be interested to know exactly where in the flight path the "engine problem" occurred.

Was it while they were banking shortly after takeoff???
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Old 26th Mar 2019, 22:15
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Originally Posted by Simplythebeast View Post


surely any movements should have been undertaken by now?
I know of one aircraft (not SWA) that was in unscheduled mx for damage caused by a catering vehicle when the grounding was instituted. Could very well be the same case with the aircraft coming out of a mx event.
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Old 26th Mar 2019, 22:17
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WN8701 reported a right engine failure on takeoff, was given a block altitude 2000 to 3000 feet and took vectors for a landing on 36L at MCO.

After the fire crew took a look at the engine and brakes, WN8701 taxied to the gate, not the hangar.
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Old 26th Mar 2019, 22:50
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It's just a flight to ferry the plane to its "storage" place while the grounding still takes effect.

But, there's A HUGE ELEPHANT in the room. The Max 8 engine, CFM Leap-1B, seems to have been failing in a very alarming rate lately...

Incidents of MAX 8 engines failure as compiled by AVHERALD:

Incident: Southwest B38M at Orlando on Mar 26th 2019, engine shut down in flight
Incident: TUI B38M near Chania on Jan 29th 2019, engine problem
Incident: Spicejet B38M near Varanasi on Jan 6th 2019, engine shut down in flight
Incident: Norwegian B38M near Shiraz on Dec 14th 2018, engine shut down in flight

Are these incidents are simply showing a normal "growing pain" for this new type of engine CFM Leap-1B?? Or, it shows a major problem with its reliability/durability??
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Old 26th Mar 2019, 23:15
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I thought they were grounded?

Here we go again ...

Maybe we could save time - could anyone with verifiable proof that airlines are defying the ban and flying passengers on a 737 Max kindly post some evidence?

Thought not.
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Old 26th Mar 2019, 23:19
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Southwest corrects the earlier news reports of an engine failure at MCO :

Southwest Airlines said the plane returned to the airport after pilots reported a "performance issue'' with one of the engines.


https://www.usatoday.com/story/trave...ge/3281138002/

If you've ever taken a plane into or out of maintenance at an airline hub you can see why they went back to the gate, not the hangar. The contract ground transportation company and crew skeds always seem to get lost trying to find the right address for the hangar at a large airport. I've had a mechanic take us over to the terminal in the pickup truck after waiting a while for a ride that didn't come.
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Old 26th Mar 2019, 23:28
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Originally Posted by patplan View Post
It's just a flight to ferry the plane to its "storage" place while the grounding still takes effect.

But, there's A HUGE ELEPHANT in the room. The Max 8 engine, CFM Leap-1B, seems to have been failing in a very alarming rate lately...

Incidents of MAX 8 engines failure as compiled by AVHERALD:

Incident: Southwest B38M at Orlando on Mar 26th 2019, engine shut down in flight
Incident: TUI B38M near Chania on Jan 29th 2019, engine problem
Incident: Spicejet B38M near Varanasi on Jan 6th 2019, engine shut down in flight
Incident: Norwegian B38M near Shiraz on Dec 14th 2018, engine shut down in flight

Are these incidents are simply showing a normal "growing pain" for this new type of engine CFM Leap-1B?? Or, it shows a major problem with its reliability/durability??
There were over 300 MAX aircraft in service prior to the grounding. Figure an average of 300 hours per month per aircraft, two engines per aircraft, that roughs out to 180,000 engine operating hours per month.
I doubt anyone is going to get to0 excited over ~1 shutdown per 180,000 hours on a new engine type. That's pretty good rate for a mature engine type..
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Old 27th Mar 2019, 00:22
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My local TV indicated that they ingested debris on the runway. Afterwards they showed people picking up debris off the runway. The last shot in the video showed the plane being towed away (not at a gate)

I suspected that they may have used an inactive portion of the field to takeoff that might have collected wind blown debris. Just a curious point not significant to the Max 8 problems
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Old 27th Mar 2019, 00:34
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Originally Posted by Bankstown Boy View Post
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"the FAA grounded the 737 MAX following two fatal crashes since October but has allowed airlines to conduct flights without passengers to move planes to other airports"
I guess all are risk evaluated,, but imagine egg on faces if one of these ferry flights resulted in another total loss? Smells like Boeing already knew the problem intimately, just tried to hide it. FAA COMPLICIT?
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Old 27th Mar 2019, 02:46
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Originally Posted by jewitts View Post

I guess all are risk evaluated,, but imagine egg on faces if one of these ferry flights resulted in another total loss? Smells like Boeing already knew the problem intimately, just tried to hide it. FAA COMPLICIT?
Possibly you and a few others should start a "Conspiracy" thread elsewhere 🙃
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