Irish airspace and Brexit

[ORAC]

Diple, That article backs up what I say - the IAA statement carefully restricts itself to talking about landing rights - whilst Varadkar continues to show he misses the point by talking the Single European Skies programme which is about ATC rationalisation.

[Just a spotter]

If I may be so bold as to inject some factual information into the discussion;

From The Financial Times, 27th November 2017, "UK Airlines risk losing flying rights, says Brexit paper"

If Britain left the single market, the paper states, UK-owned airlines would automatically lose existing flying rights in Europe’s “fully liberalised” aviation market, and would no longer be entitled to EU recognition of approvals for parts or certificates for airworthiness.

https://www.ft.com/content/e7674638-...1-794ce08b24dc

In a later piece from Euronews carrying a Reuters report from 12th December 2017

British airlines will lose all flying rights the European Union has negotiated with third countries as well as those negotiated by individual EU states after Britain quits the bloc, the EU executive said in a note. They would also lose flying rights under agreements between individual EU member states and third countries as they would not longer be considered EU airlines.

EU warns British airlines on post-Brexit flying | Euronews

And those at the coal face of the aviation industry agree.

BALPA's position even before either of the above from 10th October 2017

Commenting on suggestions by the Prime Minister that a Brexit ‘no deal’ was now an option, BALPA General Secretary Brian Strutton said:
“The entire UK aviation sector which employs nearly a million people and carries more than 250 million passengers per annum would be devastated by a Brexit ‘no deal’.
“Unlike most other sectors there are no World Trade Organisation or any other rules to fall back on for aviation if there is no deal.
“UK airlines could find they have to stop flying – it’s that serious. And this would impact passengers long before March 2019 because airlines couldn’t sell advance tickets and, frankly, would passengers risk buying them?

https://www.balpa.org/Media-Centre/P...spell-disaster

JAS

[BAengineer]

Originally Posted by Just a spotter

If I may be so bold as to inject some factual information into the discussion;

From The Financial Times, 27th November 2017, "UK Airlines risk losing flying rights, says Brexit paper"

But nobody is arguing about that. It is just the proposal by Mr Varadkar that Ireland could close its airspace to overflights from the UK.

An issue that is governed by the Chicago Convention and not the EU.

[DrCuffe]

The prime issue seems to be landing rights, and third country agreements negotiated by the EU as a whole on the part of its members. Overflying seems, despite what some of the red tops say, to be a non issue. This could be ironed out by some sort of a transitional arrangement, some legal version of "business as usual" wrapped up appropriately in legalese.
The problem with all of this, is that the EU negotiators have described this sort of approach as "Cherry picking", which they have specifically ruled out. There are many other technical issues across most industries, each of which consider their baby to be critical for future operations. The problem is, until the conservative party have a clear, consistent, and defensible approach to these negotiations, nobody is going to get around to the details, and it is not going to happen.
For the Irish, it is a big deal, and so their prime minister is going to talk about it.

[sTeamTraen]

Originally Posted by radiosutch

Ok more petrol being poured on -

What about the EU saying the RAF cannot use any Cyprus bases?
Cutting, nose,spite and face are words that come to mind..

Roll on exit..

The Sovereign Base Areas in Cyprus are UK territory with the same status as, say, the Falkland Islands. So the EU has no say. (Indeed, the SBAs have never been in the European Union.)

Fun pub quiz night fact: the SBAs are the only UK territory where the official currency is the Euro.