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Pegasus Airlines Boeing 737-800 TC-CPF overrun runway at Trabzon. All pax okay

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Old 28th Jan 2018, 20:19
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Never ever Turkish Media will tell about a mishap of their "Heroes"...
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Old 28th Jan 2018, 20:41
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A more prudent technique is to manually advance the thrust levers towards go-around thrust while pitching up as part of the GA procedure.
Absolutely - what's wrong with that

That would suggest you are the type of long disappearing pilot who likes to control the a/c rather than be a follower:
Yes.
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Old 28th Jan 2018, 21:32
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Originally Posted by Centaurus
The solution is easily resolved by following the advice recommended in the Children of the Magenta Line video.

And that is "CLICK CLICK" disengage the autopilot and if appropriate the autothrottle, and without delay manually recover the situation to get back to the desired heading/course/whatever. Whatever actions take place after that depends on pilot discretion.
ATP(L) for 20 years, 20 years flying, from turboprops without any AP/FD/AT to the (current) A320. I do the T/O without FD/AT on any T/O when possible (non-RNAV SID), I normally go AP/AT off latest passing 10K in the descend and weather/approach permitting FD off as well.

Yes, I have saved a few situations by losing the automation and going back to green needles, but I think in the vast majority of "what is it doing now?" while on automation a more appropriate reaction is:
-first, make sure the right mode is selected
-if that is not it, go back to basic mode (HDG/VS/SPD on the bus)
-if that doesn't work Click Click.

Off course if you find yourself diving to the ground and only have a second to recover it is different. Most of the time if you find yourself in a situation where you are not sure where the AP is going to, and switch everything off, you are making life much harder for your other crew member, who now has to solve the puzzle all by himself while talking to ATC, as you are going to be busy keeping the blue side up to do anything else useful.

Especially on the bus, unless you are already on an ILS switching the AP of doesn't really help much because you still have to follow the FD (there is no CDI in RNAV and nowadays you are not normally on any radial, if you have to follow the FD you are better of having the AP on as well...

Just my opinion.
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Old 29th Jan 2018, 08:47
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Originally Posted by fox niner
If you click click the autothrottle on every flight, you will not make a mistake so quickly by inadvertently pressing toga instead.
Did not really get what you mean here. You must click click the autothrottle on every flight before landing anyway unless you carry out an autoland.
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Old 29th Jan 2018, 13:08
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That “must“ would be company specific,as lots of airlines permit a manual landing with AT on.
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Old 29th Jan 2018, 13:13
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Airbus permits manual landings with auththrust on, but not on the 737/757/767.
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Old 29th Jan 2018, 19:39
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The “must” is Boeing specific.
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Old 30th Jan 2018, 00:55
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Weird. I fly a Boeing and we do manual landings with AT all the time.
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Old 30th Jan 2018, 04:46
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Originally Posted by tractorpuller
Weird. I fly a Boeing and we do manual landings with AT all the time.
Which type?
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Old 30th Jan 2018, 06:28
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Isn’t this thread about a Pegasus 737 or am I missing something.
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Old 30th Jan 2018, 07:57
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The authorities have all the players at their disposal, including the a/c. How can they not have discovered what happened by now? All this bar-room speculation yet some one must have all the facts. Where are they?
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Old 30th Jan 2018, 08:29
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In Turkey...
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Old 30th Jan 2018, 12:06
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States in charge of an investigation must submit a Preliminary Report to ICAO within thirty days of the date of the accident, unless the Accident/Incident Data Report has been sent by that time. Preliminary
Reports may be marked as confidential or remain public at the investigating State’s discretion.
Accident happened JAN 13th, so wait...

Nevertheless Turkey doesn't publish Aviation accident/incident reports.
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Old 30th Jan 2018, 12:06
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Yeah, but where are Boeing in this? They should have been involved, surely.
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Old 30th Jan 2018, 15:23
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They know which side of their toast is buttered and they're not about to walk over a country - and its airlines - who've put plenty of bread on their table.
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YEP. You nailed it.
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Old 30th Jan 2018, 19:17
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Originally Posted by J.O.
They know which side of their toast is buttered and they're not about to walk over a country - and its airlines - who've put plenty of bread on their table.
While that certainly plays a part, it's more basic than that. The aircraft manufacturer is a participant in the investigation, but all information releases must come from the government agency responsible for the investigation. During my career I was involved in a couple accident and several incident investigations - and violating the investigation confidentiality was a good way to get severely reprimanded or even fired. I wasn't even supposed to talk about it with co-workers that weren't involved in the investigation or didn't have a 'need to know'.

I suppose if the investigating agency released something that blamed the manufacturer, and that the manufacturer felt was false or seriously misleading, the manufacturer could release some sort of rebuttal, but it would be carefully worded and blessed by a team of lawyers before it saw the light of day.
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Originally Posted by tdracer

I suppose if the investigating agency released something that blamed the manufacturer, and that the manufacturer felt was false or seriously misleading, the manufacturer could release some sort of rebuttal, but it would be carefully worded and blessed by a team of lawyers before it saw the light of day.
Understood
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