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Turkish Airlines cargo 747 crashes in Kyrgyzstan

Old 16th Jan 2017, 09:52
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How is Cold Weather Altitude Correction going to make any difference on an ILS CAT II approach? Altitude correction would be done for FAF, MAA, DA and MSA!
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Old 16th Jan 2017, 10:08
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Captain İbrahim Gurcan Dirancı, FO Kazım Öndül
Loading masters Melih Aslan and Ihsan Koca.
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Old 16th Jan 2017, 10:30
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Let's all please hope this is not yet another botched go-around.
Autopilots don't botch them, human pilots can though. Watch
what unfolds as they investigate.
In the meantime, terrible horror for a lovely village.
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Old 16th Jan 2017, 10:34
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I don't think it's a good idea to post the names of the crew
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Old 16th Jan 2017, 10:36
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Drone video puts the end of debris area here https://www.google.com/maps/place/43...81!4d74.434629

This place is visible in Drone video @ https://youtu.be/qwKZdWMgVUY?t=2m28s
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Old 16th Jan 2017, 10:53
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Old 16th Jan 2017, 10:58
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I don't think it's a good idea to post the names of the crew
No problem if it's already released in the public domain. You have to remember that many countries, especially in that part of the world, have different cultures to ours.
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Old 16th Jan 2017, 11:04
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It's already released in Turkish media. It's also stressed that FO was retired forces pilot, served till 2009 in Afghanistan.
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Old 16th Jan 2017, 11:11
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Kulverstukas: Thanks (as usual) for your contributions already to this thread.
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Old 16th Jan 2017, 11:13
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From another point.

And looks like its not airfield fence but NDB/VOR fence:

https://yandex.ru/maps/-/CZXgqQK9
or https://goo.gl/maps/QamxfrwGNDC2

Shoot from North to SE direction

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Old 16th Jan 2017, 11:58
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Originally Posted by Deepinsider View Post
Let's all please hope this is not yet another botched go-around.
Aviation Herald:

(...) was on final approach to Bishkek's runway 26 at 07:18L (01:18z) when the aircraft went around from very low height but did not climb out to safety, impacted terrain about 1100 meters/3600 feet past the runway end and went through a couple of houses of a village.
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Old 16th Jan 2017, 14:13
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Flight tracking data, if correct, indicates A/C platformed at 3100', Jep chart states 3400'.
FR24 will be showing uncorrected Mode C data. (encoded alt based on 1013)

QNH was 1023/1024 according to the METARs.
30 ft/HPa
So 300 ft sounds about right.
Very often FR24 lands you on a parallel non existent runway or hundreds of meters after or before
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Old 16th Jan 2017, 14:16
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Originally Posted by dfstrottersfan View Post
Very often FR24 lands you on a parallel non existent runway or hundreds of meters after or before
Only for a small minority of aircraft that don't have GPS-powered ADS-B.

Not relevant here.
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Old 16th Jan 2017, 14:23
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FR24 is notoriously unreliable, attempting to investigate what happened based upon data that (in many cases) is extrapolated or interpolated is just silly.
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Old 16th Jan 2017, 15:02
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One of three recorders found.
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Old 16th Jan 2017, 15:13
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As much fun as FR24 is to play with, it's far from perfect. For instance, I've just had an A320 land in my back garden :o
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Old 16th Jan 2017, 15:35
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Originally Posted by DaveReidUK View Post
Only for a small minority of aircraft that don't have GPS-powered ADS-B.

Not relevant here.
Just commenting that FR24 is not accurate and relies on interpolation -
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Old 16th Jan 2017, 15:49
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Yes

Originally Posted by jackcarls0n View Post
How is Cold Weather Altitude Correction going to make any difference on an ILS CAT II approach? Altitude correction would be done for FAF, MAA, DA and MSA!
Exactly you are right!
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Old 16th Jan 2017, 16:11
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Parallels are being drawn here with the recent botched 777 go-around at DXB....

I do have my doubts. The Cat II minima for FRU26 in my docs says 350M RVR and RA99'. At the point of deciding to GA and announcing 'Go-Around Flaps 20' the aircraft should have been in a perfect position to land and just short of threshold. The DXB issue of the Boeing TOGA mode becoming unavailable is only after touchdown so that issue should not come into play here.

If however the suggestion is that this aircraft did GA from minima without applying any power then it seems to have flown an unbelievably long distance (4000m runway plus another ~2000m upwind) before it stalled into the ground. I simply don't buy the idea.

There is another possibility - The NGFMC in the 744 generates the characteristic speeds when VNAV selected on the GA... It is also unbelievably unreliable being prone to failures giving inappropriate speed generation and/or complete loss of Autothrottle/VNAV/LNAV functions. Not at all what a tired crew needs going round from a Cat II approach with shitty weather on minimums.
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Old 16th Jan 2017, 16:19
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Itsa question i have raised before but there have been a lot of 747F crashes compared to the vastly more numerous pax versions. Is it something to do with freight operations-less experienced less capable crew ?? Less well maintained aircraft, greater crew fatigue ?
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