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Turkish Airlines cargo 747 crashes in Kyrgyzstan

Old 12th May 2017, 15:31
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Yes. BA and others. BA has the most complete implementation.
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Old 4th Mar 2018, 20:11
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So one year is over since crash. Any news?
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Old 4th Mar 2018, 20:28
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Originally Posted by Kulverstukas View Post
So one year is over since crash. Any news?
Don't know who is in charge here, IAC-MAK or Turkish authorities.

However, Turkey doesn't follow ICAO ANNEX 13 and is not publishing any incident or accident reports.
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Old 5th Mar 2018, 01:53
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Originally Posted by gearlever View Post
Don't know who is in charge here, IAC-MAK or Turkish authorities.

However, Turkey doesn't follow ICAO ANNEX 13 and is not publishing any incident or accident reports.
Apparently, they aren't real good at other aviation stuff, either.

Shame on them!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Old 5th Mar 2018, 07:31
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Originally Posted by gearlever View Post
Don't know who is in charge here, IAC-MAK or Turkish authorities.

However, Turkey doesn't follow ICAO ANNEX 13 and is not publishing any incident or accident reports.
Even if Turkey did follow Annex 13, it would still not be responsible for publishing an investigation report for an accident that occurred in a foreign state.
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Old 5th Mar 2018, 08:15
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Well, since Turkish pilots are the best aviation heroes that roam the skies, there is no need to publish any report. Ever.
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Old 5th Mar 2018, 12:44
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Originally Posted by fox niner View Post
Well, since Turkish pilots are the best aviation heroes that roam the skies, there is no need to publish any report. Ever.
I thought that was the Russians.
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Old 5th Mar 2018, 14:14
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No, the Russians actually are good aviators and their official investigation board normally makes an excellent job at documenting, examining and reporting about accidents.
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Old 5th Mar 2018, 14:49
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Originally Posted by DaveReidUK View Post
Even if Turkey did follow Annex 13, it would still not be responsible for publishing an investigation report for an accident that occurred in a foreign state.
Well, I would say it depends....

ICAO ANNEX 13 Chapter 5

State of Occurrence
5.1 The State of Occurrence shall institute an investigation into the circumstances of the accident and be
responsible for the conduct of the investigation, but it may delegate the whole or any part of the conducting of such
investigation to another State by mutual arrangement and consent. In any event the State of Occurrence shall use
every means to facilitate the investigation.
5.1.1 Recommendation. The State of Occurrence should institute an investigation into the circumstances of a
serious incident. Such a State may delegate the whole or any part of the conducting of such investigation to another
State by mutual arrangement and consent. In any event the State of Occurrence should use every means to facilitate
the investigation.
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Old 6th Mar 2018, 09:28
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MAK-IAC is definitely in charge as of State of Occurrence is under their authority. The question is unclear if they can publish anything without direct approval of owner of the plane.
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Old 6th Mar 2018, 14:31
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Originally Posted by Kulverstukas View Post
The question is unclear if they can publish anything without direct approval of owner of the plane.


They CAN, the owner/operator of the plane may add comments to findngs of the report but cannot influence the investigation in any other way. The authority of the state of registry, usually a partner to the investigation, is another story...
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No, the Russians actually are good aviators and their official investigation board normally makes an excellent job at documenting, examining and reporting about accidents.
Indeed, trying to compare the Turks to the Russians are like comparing different planets.... if the Turks had their way we'd never see any accident report... ever, whereas MAK reports are certainly amongst the best, comprehensive, accurate and free of any political interference.
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Unless a BUK missile is involved....
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Old 13th Mar 2018, 16:46
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Originally Posted by Double Back View Post
Unless a BUK missile is involved....
Sad but true....
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final report?

Hi all,

Digging up an old accident, but I've been trying to locate a final report on this accident. I have found the preliminary report though which is on the IAC site but not a final report.

Has anyone seen the final report for this? If so, where is it located?
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Old 22nd Jun 2019, 07:06
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To the best of my knowledge there isn't one. And to be honest it is unclear if there will be one...
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Old 22nd Jun 2019, 07:13
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Yes - that's the feeling I am getting while searching for it. Everything seems to be pointing to the information in the preliminary report.

The preliminary report does mention that a Final Report will be drafted but i guess that is the template talking and various issues may have prevented the release and/or finalisation of such a report.
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Old 28th Jun 2019, 01:06
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Just curious - are there any penalties for contracting States that do not supply a final report? I understand that they have to commence an investigation and Annex 13 specifies that they have to provide a report - but what happens if they don't?
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