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Bird strikes soar in NYC area

Old 15th Jan 2017, 17:15
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Bird strikes soar in NYC area

https://www.thestar.com/news/world/2...ane-crash.html
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Old 15th Jan 2017, 17:57
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To paraphrase the article: "well they might not actually have increased, but we're not going to let the facts get in the way of a good story".
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Old 15th Jan 2017, 18:12
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Birds took the blame for bringing down the jetliner that Chesley “Sully” Sullenberger landed on the Hudson River eight years ago this weekend. They have been paying for it with their lives ever since.

An Associated Press analysis of bird-killing programs at the New York City area’s three major airports found that nearly 70,000 gulls, starling, geese and other birds have been slaughtered, mostly by shooting and trapping, since the 2009 incident, and it’s not clear whether those killings have made the skies safer.
Oh, the drama...
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Old 15th Jan 2017, 18:27
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Predictably, some bird advocate has opined that there must be a "better solution to the problem". None offered, unsurprisingly.
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Predictably, some bird advocate has opined that there must be a "better solution to the problem". None offered, unsurprisingly
castration ? but that takes time
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Originally Posted by lomapaseo View Post
castration ? but that takes time
Of bird advocates?
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Ban all birds from inner cities. Make sure they stay in the countryside away from congested areas and airports. Get the FAA to mandate all birds be registered. Oh sorry, i thought you said drones. It's birds hitting planes, not drones.
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Just get the birds to squawk ident. Problem solved.
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Following similar crepuscular logic, the next question must be:

When will activist/reporters take up the cause of protecting innocent cockroaches and mosquitoes from the heartless and immoral slaughter they suffer in the name of human health? Why must these innocent creatures be murdered? In the name of technological progress, there must surely be a non-lethal ap for that. If only those science people would do something!
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I'm guessing the increase is due to fatigue. They are probably having to migrate on back side of the clock without proper rest.

This is especially true of middle eastern birds.
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Well back in the day. Seagulls flew about out to sea most of the time eating fish.
Nowadays Seagulls fly around towns & the like, eating chips & garbage. Not surprised bird populations in NYC have increased.
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This is perhaps part of the answer.

New York City Department of Environmental Protection
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The type of Canada geese that brought down Sullenberger's plane are partly a man-made problem since they were largely bred to boost hunting license fees. Along the way, they lost their migratory instincts and are now a year-round nuisance at airports like LGA.

William Langewiesche discussed these birds and birds vs. planes in general in a piece he did for Vanity Fair titled "Anatomy of a Miracle."
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We had a problem at the comparatively minuscule airport I used to run for East West Airlines (DPO).

Seagulls were a major problem and the authority that ran the airport baited Egg Island, the local rookery. Problem gone.

Later spur wing plovers were getting ingested. A surreptitious swap from bird scare rounds in the ground staff shotguns to buckshot and some motorcross in our tarmac ATV and again problem gone.

Works perfectly providing the chinless wonders don't find out.

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Old 16th Jan 2017, 13:39
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The type of Canada geese that brought down Sullenberger's plane are partly a man-made problem since they were largely bred to boost hunting license fees. Along the way, they lost their migratory instincts and are now a year-round nuisance at airports like LGA.
While this is no doubt a legitimate concern, I understand that the offending birds in this case weremigratory.
Migratory Geese Downed Flight 1549 in Hudson River
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While this is no doubt a legitimate concern, I understand that the offending birds in this case were migratory.
Correct.

From the NTSB report:

"The Smithsonian Institution also performed a stable-hydrogen isotope analysis of the feather material collected from the airplane engines and compared the results with feather samples collected from resident geese in the New York region. The results indicated that the feathers from the airplane engines were similar to samples of known migratory geese and were significantly different from year-round resident populations from the New York region."
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Thank you Peter H and DaveReid, I stand corrected. If Mr. Langewiesche was aware of the Smithsonian's tests, he didn't include this in the VF piece, or else I missed it amidst the rather thorough discussion of the resident birds.



In any case, having resident birds combined with migratory birds no doubt compounds the problem in busy airspace like NYC.
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In any case, having resident birds combined with migratory birds no doubt compounds the problem in busy airspace like NYC.
is it a case of resident geese know the risks and stay low and predictable, while migrating tourist type geese follow some vague set of ATC direction in the middle of climb-out or landing patterns for aircraft???
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Later spur wing plovers were getting ingested. A surreptitious swap from bird scare rounds in the ground staff shotguns to buckshot ...
Really? You used buckshot to kill plovers? Seems like birdshot would be a better fit for birds.
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Of bird advocates?
Kulver, you win the thread! And you owe me a keyboard.
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