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Heart Attack during taxi

Old 4th Dec 2016, 07:43
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I hope no one would risk the poor guy's life by wasting another 30 sec taxi (sic) off the runway instead of stopping asap and calling for a nurse/doctor - Just to save a bit of inconvenience? I hope not... If I was the Captain - or a friend or relative of his I wouldn't be thanking you for that, I can assure you.
So you've stopped on the runway, called for a doctor. There isn't one on board. Now what?

As for Heathrow, (since you mentioned it in your last post ): If you land having declared a medical emergency at LHR you don't then stop on the runway or even just off it, you go to a gate because that's the place where it is easiest for paramedics to quickly and safely access the aircraft (via steps or a jetty).

Every situation will be different but I'd say at many airports Sloppy Joe's game plan of heading for a gate or at least taxiing to the apron whilst first aid is being administered is entirely sensible.

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Old 4th Dec 2016, 17:57
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I guess the sort of people who stop at the end of the runway in this type of situation are the same people you see coming to a stop when driving their cars every time they see a blue light behind them .. regardless of whether the ambulance can get past.

The objective is to get assistance to the subject as quickly as possible, unless you see a set of steps and a paramedic at the end of the runway, taxi back to the apron or gate sounds like a significantly better plan.
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Could a mod please change the thread title to Heart Attack while Taxiing? I'm sure the current poorly structured title is grating on the nerves of many readers of this forum.
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Bonin In The Right Seat

If an FO can't do that they should not be in the seat.
What if it is Bonin in the right seat?
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Old 5th Dec 2016, 10:31
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Originally Posted by noflynomore
I hope no one would risk the poor guy's life by wasting another 30 sec taxi (sic) off the runway instead of stopping asap and calling for a nurse/doctor - Just to save a bit of inconvenience? I hope not... If I was the Captain - or a friend or relative of his I wouldn't be thanking you for that, I can assure you.

How could an FO not have practiced this? It simply isn't possible to practice incap procedure if the FO can't stop the a/c!!!
some facts re Glasgow (I was on the EZY two behind the KLM, so we got a fairly comprehensive explanation from our captain):

the KLM was brought to a stop on the taxiway right in front of the fire station. If you can't get rapid assistance there, I don't know where you can given that turning round on the taxiway was not an option. Job well done, I'd have thought.

Following aircraft were eventually routed to the SW end of runway then backtracked for takeoff from RW23.
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Old 5th Dec 2016, 11:53
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Come on then noflynomore as a loved up, crucifying, prosecuting, not to mention milk of human kindness lawyer , what would like to see being done at Heathrow in such a situation?

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Old 5th Dec 2016, 15:32
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So anyway, how is the Captain?
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In hospital, recovering.
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Old 5th Dec 2016, 20:07
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Apparently the aircraft stopped (whether by 'accident' as that's where it happened or on purpose I'm not sure) on the taxiway abeam the Scottish Ambulance Service Hangar (GAMA) whereby the Glasgow Airport Fire Service used a ladder to access the aircraft to assist the pilot along with a Doctor on board, possibly also assisted by the Scottish Ambulance Service personnel from the building adjacent, main thing is he's still alive, 5-10 minutes later and it could have been oh so different, well done all Involved.
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Old 5th Dec 2016, 21:45
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An A330 diverted to KHI recently: http://avherald.com/h?article=4a181d76&opt=0

CPT had a heart attack, F/O landed after diversion and stayed on the rwy.
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Old 6th Dec 2016, 00:40
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Glasgow Airport Fire Service used a ladder to access the aircraft to assist the pilot along with a Doctor on board,

B737 EB190 F100 all have air stairs. What kind of a/c was this?
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Apologies if my first post here seems snarky, I don't really mean it that way....but having read through this thread a couple of times, um, RAT 5, you seem to be having a temporary attack of "missing the point". It frankly appears everyone involved considered speed of treatment to be the most important factor. They are quite correct time is of the essence in case of heart attack. Literally every second counts. If a ladder is faster than deploying airstairs - in order to get emergency help to the patient in time - then for heavens sake what does it MATTER what kind of a/c it was? They got him treatment within 10 minutes. Onboard a commercial aircraft in the middle of taxiing to the runway, that's a bloody miracle. You can hardly get an ambulance to most people that fast. Kudos to the F/O. Seriously.
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Old 6th Dec 2016, 02:24
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What would a lawyer be prosecuting for? The Captain is now the responsibility of the F/A's and the F/O is now PIC responsible for the safe conduct of the aircraft and all the other pax. If they choose to taxi back to the gate and they get the appropriate clearance and its all done within the airline SOPs a lawyer is just being hysterical.
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Old 6th Dec 2016, 08:14
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Our aspiring lawyer would be wise not to give up the day job.
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Old 6th Dec 2016, 08:55
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Originally Posted by RAT 5
Glasgow Airport Fire Service used a ladder to access the aircraft to assist the pilot along with a Doctor on board,

B737 EB190 F100 all have air stairs. What kind of a/c was this?
Klm b737 do not have air stairs.
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Old 6th Dec 2016, 09:33
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I hope no one would risk the poor guy's life by wasting another 30 sec taxi (sic) off the runway instead of stopping asap and calling for a nurse/doctor - Just to save a bit of inconvenience? I hope not... If I was the Captain - or a friend or relative of his I wouldn't be thanking you for that I can assure you.
Do both, ie as long as someone is already attending to the patient, call for a doctor/medic while you continue to taxi back towards the terminal. This is an emergency with a potential loss of life. If you're a long way from external assistance why on earth would you stop!
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Old 6th Dec 2016, 11:32
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Klm b737 do not have air stairs.
Although the KLM examples are apparently not run of the mill examples of the 737, it is true that the airstair is a customer option that many, especially legacy carriers, choose not to take. Carrying around all that extra weight makes only sense if you use it very often.

I believe,the same was true for the F100.
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Old 6th Dec 2016, 12:46
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Originally Posted by RAT 5
What kind of a/c was this?
737-700

Originally Posted by Denti
Although the KLM examples are apparently not run of the mill examples of the 737
Out of interest, what's different about KLM's ?
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Old 8th Dec 2016, 09:21
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Here we go again...professional pilots disagreeing about how to deal with incapacitation....and we have the same disagreements over how to evacuate,..how to reject....etc etc.
Interesting isn't it....after all this time,all this training,we still don't all agree on non normal procedures....
Why is that? because we are all human...maybe!!!
One thing is for sure..we are all experts in our own individual fields..lol...

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Old 8th Dec 2016, 09:47
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Originally Posted by DaveReidUK
Out of interest, what's different about KLM's ?
but answer came there none ...
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