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Croatia Airlines VP fltops suspended over leaving the F/O alone in the cockpit

Old 20th Nov 2016, 07:45
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Same suction mount has fallen into my dinner more than once for no apparent reason. It seems strong when attached properly, but perhaps the combination of changing air pressure and use of window heat has created this enemy of mine!!
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Old 20th Nov 2016, 08:25
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Is yours a double cup installation? Our CAA declined to approve even those...
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Old 20th Nov 2016, 09:09
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@172driver: do you routinely clean the mating surface of the suction cups?

They get mounted and dismounted a lot and dirt can build up on the active surface which makes the air seal leaky. I find that a wipe round with a tissue moistened with a dab of water restores a good seal.
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Old 20th Nov 2016, 09:14
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Double cup yes,

Shall try the wet wipe, usually they're already fastened to the windscreen when entering the flight deck and taking it down to clean hasn't really been at the top of my mind
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Old 20th Nov 2016, 10:13
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Clandestino : thanks for reply and for the inside view ;
Applicability to freighters : the Easa SIB says :
Applicability:
Commercial air transport (CAT) operators of large aeroplanes equipped with a secure flight crew compartment door1
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Does not limit it to passengers aircraft I would say, and as far as I know B747F has secure cockpit doors . ( waiting to be contradicted) but you are right that the average passenger do not care!
You remark on a P2F F/O that is a client of the airline makes a very good point !
In fact if I was P2F , to a Capt that says " my leg " , I would reply " Sorry mine , I paid for it !" and the client is always right
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Old 20th Nov 2016, 10:29
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Yup, doublecup here as well, and the inner suface of the cups has to be clean. Havent had one drop on me yet.
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Old 20th Nov 2016, 15:51
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Originally Posted by eckhard
Well I know of one Big Airline that allows one pilot alone on the flight deck - what are they missing?
Good for them.
How did they manage to escape that policy ?
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Old 20th Nov 2016, 20:58
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Good for them.
How did they manage to escape that policy ?
There are some misconceptions about "that policy" - it was discussed earlier in the thread. It might be worth having a really really careful read of the relevant EASA SIB which covers this it; see link kindly provided by Dufo (permalink #29) and the subsequent comments.

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Old 21st Nov 2016, 07:14
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Does anybody else here have the balls to say that there was no danger at all to flight safety here?

The captain went for a piss... He is alowed to. The first officer took a short video in the cruise... Which I believe is not against the written policy of croatian airlines.... This post has appeared to become a bit of a shooting ground between generations.... The amount of concentration that this first officer is giving to the aircraft is probably greater than that of a new FO listening to the many stories that the captain has to give of times gone by and certainly much greater than a sector with his head in a manual, being drilled by a captain or of course studying on his own accord... more so than when having lunch and discussing union matters.... The kid, either by himself (with a huge loan from the bank) or with the help of his family, wanted to show off a little to his friends and family, which, to be honest, in terms of flight safety really is not a problem.
If the company forbids A) filming B)Posting to social media C) leaving the flightdeck with only one occupant. that is one matter. The real conversation should be whether or not what has happened here is actually dangerous in any way shape or form.
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Old 21st Nov 2016, 08:48
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Agreed. Whilst my employer applies B) and C).
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Old 21st Nov 2016, 10:26
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Originally Posted by ATC Watcher
Clandestino : thanks for reply and for the inside view ;
Applicability to freighters : the Easa SIB says :
Does not limit it to passengers aircraft I would say, and as far as I know B747F has secure cockpit doors . ( waiting to be contradicted) but you are right that the average passenger do not care!
You remark on a P2F F/O that is a client of the airline makes a very good point !
In fact if I was P2F , to a Capt that says " my leg " , I would reply " Sorry mine , I paid for it !" and the client is always right
No secure cockpit doors on a 744F, all you got is a curtain! But then, your max 6 Pax are ussually on company business or deadheading!
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Old 22nd Nov 2016, 08:57
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The real conversation should be whether or not what has happened here is actually dangerous in any way shape or form.
Well said JumpJumpJump, BUT: over here in Europe, the media & the politicians have totally lost it - we need to be protected from ourselves, so they think. Facts are not what counts, but the what ifs (as in what happens to my career as a member of parliament etc if...)

If there is a murderous nut job like Lubitz (the Germanwings FO) on the FD, then no precaution will help. The nice looking 20 year old flyweight won´t stand a chance if the guy is determined... and thats what nut jobs usually are.
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Old 22nd Nov 2016, 14:10
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If there is a murderous nut job like Lubitz (the Germanwings FO) on the FD, then no precaution will help. The nice looking 20 year old flyweight won´t stand a chance if the guy is determined... and thats what nut jobs usually are.
If the pilot had totally committed to killing everyone then no, but killing one person who is sat right next to you looking you in the eye and asking you why you're doing it is probably a lot harder than killing a hundred abstract people who you can't see or hear and don't really care about.

Also as someone else mentioned earlier in the thread the FA can open the cockpit door allowing the other pilot back in.
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Old 22nd Nov 2016, 14:18
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Also as someone else mentioned earlier in the thread the FA can open the cockpit door allowing the other pilot back in.
Yep, that was me. It's not just the nutter of course. We are all trained in pilot incapacitation, but if the other guy is the wrong side of the door?

Of course, I've been out of it for a few years, so if I'm talking out of my lower end, I apologise.

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Old 25th Nov 2016, 20:34
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Always two on the flight deck, not for the Lufthansa pilots.
A deux dans le cockpit : pas pour les pilotes de Lufthansa | Air Journal

Still, Lufthansa has been following the recommendation.
https://airwaysmag.com/industry/op-e...-right-action/
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