Croatia Airlines VP fltops suspended over leaving the F/O alone in the cockpit
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.....as for social media posting things from the cockpit
Take a look at this instagram "stream" from the me me me generation of snowflakes.
https://www.instagram.com/pilotmaria/
All I expect are photoshopped, the aspect ratios squashed to make everyone appear slimmer and accompanied by a the usual rictus grin.
Take a look at this instagram "stream" from the me me me generation of snowflakes.
https://www.instagram.com/pilotmaria/
All I expect are photoshopped, the aspect ratios squashed to make everyone appear slimmer and accompanied by a the usual rictus grin.
It's been said before, never, ever leave one pilot alone on the flightdeck. Many airlines insist that a member of cabin crew go in there. And before anyone asks "what could they do, they aren't qualified pilots?" the answer is: open the door.
"The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers."
- Attributed to Socrates.
- Attributed to Socrates.
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On a recent flight on an eastern european airline, I did observe one of the cockpit crew leave the cockpit, visit the bathroom, grab some refreshments, and return to the cockpit. No cabin crew entered the cockpit at that point (except while on the ground), it didn't look like there was any further cockpit personnel.
However it also looked like the door didn't have a lock, unlike most other aircraft I've seen recently. Or at least the lock wasn't being used if present.
I wasn't particularly concerned, however I had been under the impression there was a fairly firm rule about having at least two people in the cockpit at any time, at least in Europe (I imagine that's unnecessary with an unlocked cockpit though).
However it also looked like the door didn't have a lock, unlike most other aircraft I've seen recently. Or at least the lock wasn't being used if present.
I wasn't particularly concerned, however I had been under the impression there was a fairly firm rule about having at least two people in the cockpit at any time, at least in Europe (I imagine that's unnecessary with an unlocked cockpit though).
Would this be the "entitled" generation who will be funding your retirement? The generation which will not be getting one themselves as the Ponzi scheme breaks? The generation who will not be able to buy their own homes? The generation that leaves university with massive debt and didn't get grants? The generation who have had to pay for all their own training because the older pilots never stood up to the airlines and stopped them creating multi tier pay schemes? The generation who has had most of the fun sucked out of the world by previous generations?
Is that the generation you are talking about?
Is that the generation you are talking about?
You are reading an attitude into my post that was not there. I was not having a go at this generation, nor was I judging them, but simply trying to understand why the "youth of today" (including my own son and almost all cabin crew) are so obsessed by their smartphones. Just idle curiosity and a bit of amateur psychology.
Having said that, the actions of the F/O in this thread are very questionable - there is a time and place, and this wasn't it.
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I thought that after the Eurowings suicide crash the '2 in the cockpit' rule was more common. It was some of my previous airlines. We were not told it was a company initiative; we assumed it was an EASA thing. Now you're saying it is not an EU rule. What is the rule in other XAA regions?
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It's that old chestnut again...
As Dufo has rightly pointed out this subject is covered by an EASA SIB on the subject and the devil is in the wording/detail of said document - regardless of whether you read it as a rule or a recommendation it gives options for compliance with the intent. Many operators have decided to comply by having a two up front rule (written into their Ops Manual), others are employ prefectly legitimate alternative means of complying with the SIB.....
In short, under EASA there isn't a blanket "there must be two people in the cockpit at all times" rule..
we assumed it was an EASA thing. Now you're saying it is not an EU rule.
It's that old chestnut again...
As Dufo has rightly pointed out this subject is covered by an EASA SIB on the subject and the devil is in the wording/detail of said document - regardless of whether you read it as a rule or a recommendation it gives options for compliance with the intent. Many operators have decided to comply by having a two up front rule (written into their Ops Manual), others are employ prefectly legitimate alternative means of complying with the SIB.....
In short, under EASA there isn't a blanket "there must be two people in the cockpit at all times" rule..
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This EASA recommendation was just a reaction after Germanwings that they are doing something. It was/is more for general public/passengers than for anything else.
How do you want to enforce this for 2 crews aircraft Cargo operators to start with ?
How do you want to enforce this for 2 crews aircraft Cargo operators to start with ?
Cargo aircraft are a different set of rules for obvious reasons. The point is if your operating manual says two people at all times then those are the rules. If you are the ops director it looks bad if you are filmed breaking your own sops, however sensible or not they may be. Does anyone know if it is in the OM at Croatia?....that would be interesting to know.
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Would this be the "entitled" generation who will be funding your retirement? The generation which will not be getting one themselves as the Ponzi scheme breaks? The generation who will not be able to buy their own homes? The generation that leaves university with massive debt and didn't get grants? The generation who have had to pay for all their own training because the older pilots never stood up to the airlines and stopped them creating multi tier pay schemes? The generation who has had most of the fun sucked out of the world by previous generations?
The generation that is always high, drunk, and getting holidays abroad paid for by mum.
Donīt you dare to think you are the only one who can trivialize and over-simplify...
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Well, that's a real a first class idiot who hopefully won't be flying again. Brand new FO recording a video under those circumstances and posting it on facebook? Extremely poor judgement and a total lack of professionalism.
Can anyone translate what he's saying?
Can anyone translate what he's saying?
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New interview question: "would you consider using social photo media during duty hours?"
Yes = F.O. No = move to next phase.
Yes = F.O. No = move to next phase.
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Provided video is real and not forgery used by dark forces to defame the glorious captain whose shining examples of aeronautical & managerial excellence throughout his career should be followed by any Croatian airline pilot, commander can be easily found in breach of security procedure (yes, CTN does require FA to be in cockpit when one of the pilots takes physiological break). With F/O might be a bit different; it seems there are no explicit rules about using video equipment on CTN's flightdecks and besides, he is not just OU employee but also a paying client.
Probably the unlucky capt is cursing hard the management guy whose brilliant cost-saving idea was to bring P2F into CTN.
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it seems there are no explicit rules about using video equipment on CTN's flightdecks
I've noticed that a lot of these videos are being taken by cameras stuck to the side windows. Surely anything which impedes vision can't be legal?
How secure are the feet on these cameras? Are they likely to detach during turbulence or an accident, hitting pilots or damaging aircraft equipment?
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I've noticed that a lot of these videos are being taken by cameras stuck to the side windows. Surely anything which impedes vision can't be legal?