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Emirates B777 gear collapse @ DXB?

Old 3rd Aug 2016, 13:11
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It's being reported in the media now that the pilot made an announcement to the passengers prior to landing that there was a problem with the landing gear and to prepare for an emergency landing.
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Old 3rd Aug 2016, 13:14
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For those so keen to criticise the decision not to evacuate in Singapore recently. In training too many people treat an evacuation like the end of a fairy tale '...and they lived happily ever after'. But every evacuation has significant risks and it's even worse if there's smoke, fire, foam, and vehicles surrounding the aircraft. The same accusation was levelled at the QF32 incident in Singapore, even though the number one engine couldn't be shut down and despite everyone disembarking safely. For now can we just be happy that evacuating worked safely this time and delaying worked safely a few weeks ago. When the detailed reports come out in due course we can make a more balanced assessment of the crew's actions.
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Old 3rd Aug 2016, 13:16
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A closer shot of the burnt-out image shows it came to rest near the M14A/B marker, which puts it near the end of 12L(?)

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Old 3rd Aug 2016, 13:17
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Well Guy, what else can I say? Yes I saw the video of the Aircraft stopping, the video stops before the EVAC......why? Because the EVAC procedure takes time.....

What part of that concept confuses you?
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Old 3rd Aug 2016, 13:18
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Several pax running with their carry on baggage cases!! When will they ever learn?
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Old 3rd Aug 2016, 13:19
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Some even carrying their kids...what were they thinking
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Old 3rd Aug 2016, 13:20
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1 fatality reported.
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Old 3rd Aug 2016, 13:21
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Th EVAC command doesn't come straight away, it takes time to run the appropriate EICAS then the EVAC checklist
Cabin crew won't wait for EVAC command when it's obvious.
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Old 3rd Aug 2016, 13:22
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They would wait in this case, they would first attempt to establish communication with the cockpit and if that didn't work they would then EVAC.
I'd say the cockpit crew initiated this EVAC as per SOP
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Old 3rd Aug 2016, 13:23
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Originally Posted by MynameisInigoMontoya View Post
1 fatality reported.
EK have already issued a statement confirming there were no fatalities.
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Old 3rd Aug 2016, 13:23
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Originally Posted by ACMS View Post
Well Guy, what else can I say? Yes I saw the video of the Aircraft stopping, the video stops before the EVAC......why? Because the EVAC procedure takes time.....

What part of that concept confuses you?
I know how long an evac takes. What is strange is that someone would stop filming at that point. Your explaination is akin to "how long is a piece of string"!
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Old 3rd Aug 2016, 13:24
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Looks like they will have to review the capability to evacuate in under 90 seconds as most seem to carry their hand baggage with them - unlike in simulated exercises.
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Old 3rd Aug 2016, 13:24
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Originally Posted by gulliBell View Post
It's being reported in the media now that the pilot made an announcement to the passengers prior to landing that there was a problem with the landing gear and to prepare for an emergency landing.
Can't believe that's true for a minute! No emergency call, no hold , no apparent attempt to resolve the issue yet Captain says prepare for an emergency landing..
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Old 3rd Aug 2016, 13:30
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Originally Posted by crwkunt roll View Post
Cabin crew won't wait for EVAC command when it's obvious.
Only if it pertains to smoke or fire inside the cabin. If outside only then they still have to wait
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Old 3rd Aug 2016, 13:30
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Originally Posted by Roger Greendeck View Post
For those so keen to criticise the decision not to evacuate in Singapore recently. In training too many people treat an evacuation like the end of a fairy tale '...and they lived happily ever after'. But every evacuation has significant risks and it's even worse if there's smoke, fire, foam, and vehicles surrounding the aircraft. The same accusation was levelled at the QF32 incident in Singapore, even though the number one engine couldn't be shut down and despite everyone disembarking safely. For now can we just be happy that evacuating worked safely this time and delaying worked safely a few weeks ago. When the detailed reports come out in due course we can make a more balanced assessment of the crew's actions.
A good outcome does not indicate an effective decision making process. Plenty of people have made appalling decisions over the years without a bad outcome. Some people have made extraordinary decisions in diabolical situations and not lived to see the next dawn.

Every decision to stay has significant risks. The point often lost in the QF32 incident was the crew had the ability with QF procedures to disembark with slides and not as an evac. This allowed them to nominate which slides they wanted to use and to do it at a more sedate rate that minimised injuries- ie they could have used main deck only slides and taken their time to get set up properly on the ground with appropriately briefed ABPs to assist.
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Old 3rd Aug 2016, 13:31
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The pax themselves will confirm whether they had a warning from the flight deck. The speed (as reported) of the evacuation would tend to support that.
Whatever - absolute 100% well done to the cabin crew to get them all out safe in 45 seconds. Awesome work guys.
The report in the Aviation Herald is significant in that the Tower reminded the crew to lower the gear on final followed by a go round. Was this as a result of visual sight that the gear wasn't down or is it something they always say?
Can I ask the experts please, bearing in mind the time it takes to spool up idling engines, how close to the ground do you have to be for a touchdown to be inevitable?
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Old 3rd Aug 2016, 13:32
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Wind Shear Go Around

The 777 Windhear Go Around says "Do not change gear or flap configuration until wind shear is no longer a factor".
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Old 3rd Aug 2016, 13:33
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The fatality was within the emergency services workers not pax & crew.
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Old 3rd Aug 2016, 13:36
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A person that dedicates their life to saving others has died? That's not good.
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Old 3rd Aug 2016, 13:38
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From an eye witness (pilot on the ground at the time)
They touched down hard then aborted the landing which lead to a go around. They were in the process of a go-around (configuration) but it sank back on the runway. Maybe that's why the landing gear appears to be up as it skidded on the ground. It most probably sank/fell back onto the runway due to extreme weather (temperature, low pressure/the gear doors opening/then closing i.e: increased drag) and that the B773 performance struggles at that those conditions. Look at FCOM2 for the 773.

There is discussion about possible windshear. Wind direction may not justify that but when EK aircraft land behind each other at Dxb they have an amended approval of 3nm separation to help aliviate congestion. An agreement between EK and the airport authority. Could this contribute? Did an EK aircraft land infront? Many questions but all will be answered.
Thankfully no lives lost.
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