ANA order A380
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Only 3 ordered, but it must be heartening for Airbus Execs to have a new operator of the type.
Japan's ANA airline in billion-dollar Airbus deal: reports
Japan's ANA airline in billion-dollar Airbus deal: reports
Our 380s carry max ZFW out to 16hrs. Cant see why you would want to limit it to 12hrs. GG your 777 starts dumping ZFW for fuel after 11.5hrs, as they become MTOW limited. 
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A380 is a complete failure, if an aircraft projects survival depends on one airline and its orders in this case, the Emirates, its doomed there is no other way to describe it..
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and cynics would suggest this is the start of the "payoffs" required to allow the final resolution of the Skymark bankruptcy to the satisfaction of some of the players....and probably the dissatisfaction of some others.
As for the best resolution for Skymark - "sorry, don't understand the question, best resolution for Skymark maybe a consideration...maybe yes, maybe no, maybe maybe......"!
Be interesting (for the cynics, of course
) to see how long "payoffs mk 2" take to begin and in what form.
Cheers all!
As for the best resolution for Skymark - "sorry, don't understand the question, best resolution for Skymark maybe a consideration...maybe yes, maybe no, maybe maybe......"!
Be interesting (for the cynics, of course
) to see how long "payoffs mk 2" take to begin and in what form.Cheers all!
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I've said it before but I firmly believe the A380 is 8-12hr jet......whereas the 747-8i is a 12-16hr jet.
Used Qantas and Emirates 380's on LHR>SYD route many times, and compared with using 777 or 747's, I know which plane I would rather be on.
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"I guess these will be the 3 Airbus A380s stored at Toulouse that were destined for Skymark."
Rumoured to be the two ex Skymark and one ex Transaero, delivery to ANA from 2017 onwards if I remember correctly.
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Rumoured to be the two ex Skymark and one ex Transaero, delivery to ANA from 2017 onwards if I remember correctly.
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Skymark convert for ANA ?
I guess these will be the 3 Airbus A380s stored at Toulouse that were destined for Skymark
If this is the case. it will provide a little short term relief for Airbus' books, however it does not change the long-term picture for A380 and B747-8.
Serial numbers 162 and 167 have been in storage complete with engines, at TLS for some time, since the Skymark bankruptcy. I believe that they will only need to go to the Germany for interiors.
Serial number 185 was stopped at partial construction, with parts all assigned, and should be a relatively quick delivery.
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if an aircraft projects survival depends on one airline and its orders in this case, the Emirates
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Something like 18 airlines (not one!) have ordered 317 with a few options on the books. Hardly depending on a single airline!
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The 380 is the only answer when you become slot constrained - which will increasingly become the norm
It took 11 years before the original 747 passed 317 orders and it went on to sell over 1500 airframes
It took 11 years before the original 747 passed 317 orders and it went on to sell over 1500 airframes
The 380 is the only answer when you become slot constrained - which will increasingly become the norm
It took 11 years before the original 747 passed 317 orders and it went on to sell over 1500 airframes
It took 11 years before the original 747 passed 317 orders and it went on to sell over 1500 airframes
To be clear, they managed to sell THREE all year. Great aeroplane but not going to sell mass market now.
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To be clear, they managed to sell THREE all year. Great aeroplane but not going to sell mass market now.
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To be clear, they managed to sell THREE all year.
Its even worst, they managed to sell THREE in THREE years and still not a single order from US market ! and China the worlds second largest aerospace market ordered only 5 not a bright outlook for the future and it will get worse once the new 777's become available around 2020. Mr. John Leahy is not worried about his future in the company since he turned 65 !
Its even worst, they managed to sell THREE in THREE years and still not a single order from US market ! and China the worlds second largest aerospace market ordered only 5 not a bright outlook for the future and it will get worse once the new 777's become available around 2020. Mr. John Leahy is not worried about his future in the company since he turned 65 !
Trying to find common ground between the early 747 sales record and that of the 380 discounts too many factors to make it a fair comparison. If you feel compelled still, compare the 380's with the 747-800. Both will.be niche players till termination.