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Air Baltic Crew escorterd from AC by police.

Old 10th Aug 2015, 13:09
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Latest, according to Norwegian daily "Dagbladet" are the breathalyzer results: CC both 1.0, co-pilot 1.4 and Captain 0.4. All in ‰.
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Properly boozed up so. On the plus side, prison in Norway is less unpleasant than most places.
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Old 10th Aug 2015, 13:45
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I was a flying spanner for a well known US cargo operator around 2005 operating out of CDG, AF were doing the catering and was also a bit surprised to see a small bottle of red wine for each crew member ( x 5) their rationale was we could drink it half way over the pond, we all kept them for the hotel, have to say the food was fantastic though.
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They are sentenced to 2 weeks in a Norwegian Jail and probably won't suffer as the jails over there are known as 5-star facilities.
The Captain stated a stupid mistake ruined his famillies future (
True enough, could have happened to quite a few of us 20 or 30 years ago.
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not sentenced yet, a court decided to keep them in custody for 2 weeks as they're deemed a flight risk (no pun intended). The former BA F/O caught with 1.5 ‰ in 2003 in Oslo was sentenced to half a year.

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Old 10th Aug 2015, 19:37
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According to Swedish press (google translated/helmsman = FO )


" Capt Breath sample showed a blood alcohol level of 0.68 percent.
Of the other three crew members who were caught blew the 38-year-old helmsman 1.44 per thousand and two cabin attendants 1.04 and 1.84 per thousand.
Later taken blood samples show that two crew members had been 0.4 per thousand, one of the flight attendants 0.8 and copilot 1.2. Prosecutor Camilla Ek Sørensen stresses news agency NTB that a safety margin is then added, which means that the values ​​may in fact be higher.
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The crew worked for the Latvian airline Air Baltic, which would transport over a hundred charter travelers to Crete. They are Latvian citizens. They are suspended from their jobs and Air Baltic is preparing layoffs because of the harm they caused the company.
Oak Sørensen points out that Norwegian rules pilots and cabin crew when they are in Norway, regardless of the rules in their home country. Under Norwegian rules, flight crews not drink alcohol eight hours before going to work and the alcohol limit is 0.2.
- It exposes a large number of people to considerable danger when four of the five crew on a flight are more or less under the influence of alcohol, she says."
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. poses a large number of people to considerable danger when four of the five crew on a flight are more or less under the influence of alcohol, she says."
True enough, if something goes horribly wrong and if the crew needs to be sharp to save life's, it is best to be under no influence at all.
On a routine flight, with nothing going haywire, no problem.

With that in mind, many more airline crews are flying under the influence of Fatique, as in being dead tired from lack of sleep and on the wrong time-zone and can hardly talk on the radio or read a check list without slurring or repeating
the same thing over and over again to make it sink in.
Perfectly legal and they are flying with the blessings of the airlines, the authorities, the passengers and the cheap tickets.
To fix fatique it would take more crews to share the load and that would make more expensive tickets and not acceptable by the authorities, the airlines or the pax.
Ladies and Gentlemen, that is the truth, been there , done that.
I am also the King of calling in fatiqued in my airline so as to force crew scheduling to cover the flights with (fresh) reserve crews.
I have flown for a living for 37 years of which the last 27 on long haul across every continent and every ocean.
As bad as the above Baltic Air situation is, there is far worse out there every day, but your cheapo tickets says it is OK..
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Old 10th Aug 2015, 20:21
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The number of commercial airline accidents that can be attributed to alcohol are thankfully very few-statistically insignificant-but anyone who shows up for duty with an appreciable amount of alcohol in their system deserve all they get.

On the other hand, according to the NTSB, of all the airline accidents attributed to pilot error, about 20 to 30 percent have fatigue as a factor.

A flight crew`s performance during a 05.00 approach, for example, is roughly equivalent to operating with a blood alcohol level of .08 parts per thousand.

Perhaps the hotel employees should be told.

If you require verification of the above you are going to have to look it up yourselves as I am too tired-there are thousands of pages so good luck.
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Doug E Style The pilots can't have been P2F. If they were they would not have been able to afford to get drunk in Norway.
I would have guessed the opposit..if P2F he must have cash to spare
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Originally Posted by Ancient Mariner
Latest, according to Norwegian daily "Dagbladet" are the breathalyzer results: CC both 1.0, co-pilot 1.4 and Captain 0.4. All in ‰.
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So roughly 2.5 pints, 3.5 pints, and 1 pint up respectively... and that still in the morning.
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Later taken blood samples show that two crew members had been 0.4 per thousand, one of the flight attendants 0.8 and copilot 1.2. Prosecutor Camilla Ek Sørensen stresses news agency NTB that a safety margin is then added, which means that the values ​​may in fact be higher.
Copilot 1.2 . While individual tolerance varies, that's definitely inebriated (many people would be falling down drunk). Unforgivable, IMHO.
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A further court appearance today. The crew has admitted the facts in the case, and the prosecutors hope that the cases will be simple cases of the crew pleading guilty, with only the sentencing handled by the courts.

If any of the cases has to go to full trial, the police will ask for remand until the first possible court date (mid september)

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First officer sentenced to six months in prison

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Old 17th Aug 2015, 12:21
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summary: F/O pleaded guilty, got 6 months in jail (same as the former BA F/O in Oslo in 2003). The captain has not pleaded guilty yet, he (or his counsel) says he needs more time to consider the additional charges against him related to his command responsibility. Apparently the stunt involved 2 bottles of whisky. F/O also admitted to drinking beer after that, but only after police presented surveillance videos showing him buying beer at 1.39am. Prosecutors were well prepared. F/A's admit to drinking, but claim they were pressured into drinking...What a clusterf***. Kudos to norwegian media for not publishing names or pictures.

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Old 17th Aug 2015, 12:58
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Air Balt-hic:

Actually I find it quite remarkable that two bottles of whisky + beer will "only" result in these alcohol readings.
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Old 17th Aug 2015, 13:50
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they started around 16.00, the bottles were empty around 20.00. Police suspected they must have been drinking more than "just" 2 bottles, based on blood alcohol levels the morning after, but they could only get the F/O to admit to drinking more after they showed the surveillance video of him. F/A's claimed they have a "slow metabolism".
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Captain agreed to be remanded in custody until trial and/or guilty plea.
Regarding the FO, bying beer less than 5 hrs before EOBT........
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Old 17th Aug 2015, 18:59
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I am also very surprised that 2 bottles of Whiskey give these low readings. However it is surprising how many people do not understand how little alcohol is needed to bust the limit. For example 4 pints of beer consumed let's say 10 hours before duty (means stop drinking 8 hours before) will get you busted with .03%. Of course each person is different in the in the absorption and metabolisation of alcohol. A good way to check it is to by an alcohol breathalyzer and check yourself. The results might shock you.
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Totally agree Tower Dog. Far more fatigue than alcohol in flight crews
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Why is anyone still turning up fatigued?!

It's as stupid as turning up drunk.
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Why is anyone still turning up fatigued?!

It's as stupid as turning up drunk.


All they had to do was call in sick. Just make a call, blame it on food poisoning, get some sleep and get on another flight back home. Now they've ruined their careers and possibly their private lives as well....

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