Air Baltic Crew escorterd from AC by police.
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Sorry to be damn lazy but what is 0.02 in real terms ? And, if you consume that but lay off for 8 - 12 hrs before reporting for duty, does it still show up - ?
I agree with the Baby-boomers. Best days are well & truly over. We partied until we dropped but were very careful about the 8hr rule & mindful where it was 12. I and many others would declare a "stop drinking time" before we bust open the bar. Never had any issues.
I agree with the Baby-boomers. Best days are well & truly over. We partied until we dropped but were very careful about the 8hr rule & mindful where it was 12. I and many others would declare a "stop drinking time" before we bust open the bar. Never had any issues.
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The police was called by a hotel employee.
This isn't your average "a pint and some chatter" when the hotel personnel gets worried enough to do something...
This isn't your average "a pint and some chatter" when the hotel personnel gets worried enough to do something...
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Being professional is also about looking after yourself.
Nothing wrong with the hotel employee.
Same in Singapore - someone says you spat your chewing gum on the side-walk - you will get a fine without a DNA verification...
Poor sods.
Nothing wrong with the hotel employee.
Same in Singapore - someone says you spat your chewing gum on the side-walk - you will get a fine without a DNA verification...
Poor sods.
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We don't know what their readings were. Higher than 0.02 they were technically over the limit, but were they drunk and incapable if only just over?
Just out of curiosity; are you seriously suggesting that whenever someone's alcohol level exceeds the limit, an assessment should be made (by whom?) of whether that person is drunk and incapable?
What degree of "drunk and incapable" would be allowable in your eyes, I wonder?
I'm reminded of the the graduations in Oklahoma State Police reports that I became only too familiar with when our Commando Battery was sent to Fort Sill for 6 months, about a million years ago...
Happy Drunk - Ornery Drunk - Fighting Drunk - Dead Drunk.
Where would you draw the line for aircrew, I ask myself? Would you allow Ornery Drunk for cabin staff, but only Happy Drunk for the Flight Deck?
I do recall many occasions in the bar at the old Gulf Hotel in Bahrain when, at about 0430, one of our more mature DC3 F/Os, with a double-barrelled name I won't repeat, would look around at the assembled crowd of oilmen and others getting in their last drinks while in transit to Abu Dhabi and announce "'Bye all, I'm off to the airport to go to work. If you're coming with me (most were) you need to get your skatesh on", and then he would stagger out. Those days are, I'm happy to so, over.
What degree of "drunk and incapable" would be allowable in your eyes, I wonder?
I'm reminded of the the graduations in Oklahoma State Police reports that I became only too familiar with when our Commando Battery was sent to Fort Sill for 6 months, about a million years ago...
Happy Drunk - Ornery Drunk - Fighting Drunk - Dead Drunk.
Where would you draw the line for aircrew, I ask myself? Would you allow Ornery Drunk for cabin staff, but only Happy Drunk for the Flight Deck?
I do recall many occasions in the bar at the old Gulf Hotel in Bahrain when, at about 0430, one of our more mature DC3 F/Os, with a double-barrelled name I won't repeat, would look around at the assembled crowd of oilmen and others getting in their last drinks while in transit to Abu Dhabi and announce "'Bye all, I'm off to the airport to go to work. If you're coming with me (most were) you need to get your skatesh on", and then he would stagger out. Those days are, I'm happy to so, over.
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0.2 is less than half the 0.5 limit for driving a car in most of Europe. I believe the 0.5 limit can be easily breached by a man having 2 pints of beer. So one unit of alcohol (roughly) in your system will probably put the average man over the flying limit, guranteed for a woman. The average human body removes one unit per hour from their system, average pint or small glass of wine is 2 units.
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The limit is the limit. We all know what it is.
There are no excuses to be over it so if you are then you get what you deserve.
Doesn't matter if you're capable, incapable, drunk or not.
I love a drink but I won't touch one within 24 hours of flying and that's about the only reasonable way of ensuring I don't get pinched by the Rozzers.
There are no excuses to be over it so if you are then you get what you deserve.
Doesn't matter if you're capable, incapable, drunk or not.
I love a drink but I won't touch one within 24 hours of flying and that's about the only reasonable way of ensuring I don't get pinched by the Rozzers.
Then you probably only got it half right. Every regulation and SOP I've ever seen didn't just specify a time limit, it also required one to not be "under the influence". If no BAC limit was published, that meant you had to be at a reading of zero to be legal. I'd hazard a guess there were a few occasions when you were above that.
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A gas sniffer and retina imager could be connected to the FMS and interconnected to the Cops, then when the crew enters the cockpit an alarm sounds and gives you a chance to do a runner. Some of the younger P2Fers can still outrun both the CAA and the Peelers.
When I was a youngster I used to fly with a hangover sometimes, but after we lost a chap or two in some rather serious incidents it did finally result in my neurons being reconnected to stop me consumating any alcohol if I was flying within the richta hangover scale of 2 days.
When I was a youngster I used to fly with a hangover sometimes, but after we lost a chap or two in some rather serious incidents it did finally result in my neurons being reconnected to stop me consumating any alcohol if I was flying within the richta hangover scale of 2 days.
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. Then you probably only got it half right. Every regulation and SOP I've ever seen didn't just specify a time limit,
Most everybody who's been in this business long enough knows, that sometimes a meal and a few drinks amongst crew members post landing goes a bit south. And with a limit as low as 0.02 it doesn't take much more than a hours sleep to little, or a beer too many, for the alkometer to raise the alarm.
I'm a non drinker, not a tea totaller but if I never drank another drop of alcohol again, I wouldn't throw myself off Beachy Head.
What I fail to understand is, with the limit so low, why do crews feel the need to have ANY alcohol the night before, be it one, two or a barrel full? So, if you have a meal post landing, why does it have to include booze when you know a) the limit is bonkers low and b) you are flying over 100 people the next day.
Is it the rule these days that a post flight meal has to include alcohol?
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In some French buses the driver has to use his recorded breathalbreath yser before departure. Very easy to use , but what if he drinks after departure some mix in a coca-cola bottle ? In case of accident, the driver with some alcohol is always supposed to be the cause of the accident during trial and punished is alcohol or not the cause of the accident. Very dissuasive.
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Many years ago flying with AF on a Trans Atlantic flight (707, it was as I say sometime ago) I was a little surprised to see a bottle of Red wine go into the flight deck for the crew with their meals. When I mentioned it to cabin crew they appeared quite concerned that I was concerned about it, it was "natural on such a long flight". Thought this practice had gone, but on a trip out to the Far East I was told of similar thing by a young women who had seen the same on an AF Jumbo in the 1980,s, I would assume this practice has now stopped.
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Is it the rule these days that a post flight meal has to include alcohol?
With a 3 day night-stop in a good place, yeah we may go to town, but for a 10 or 12 hour stop, why bother...?