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Turkish A330 incident, Kathmandu

Old 4th Mar 2015, 23:24
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Be interesting to know how much fuel he had before that final approach commenced ?
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Old 5th Mar 2015, 00:01
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I believe the cost of fuel is high in KTM, as a result airlines might choose to tanker fuel for the return leg. If this was the case the planes which returned to KUL would have more than enough to get back.

India is similarly very expensive.. to the extent that when flying KUL-DEL-SHJ we would fill up as much as possible (considering landing weight)... we are talking about almost 30tons here on occasion.
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Old 5th Mar 2015, 00:16
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https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=625852884214283

Jeez, did you see the size of some of those rucksacks that people managed to get into the cabin as carry on?
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Old 5th Mar 2015, 01:35
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If they did a VOR/DME approach yet the vis was so poor at the accident site soon after, one has to wonder if there was a bit of a break in the fog allowing then to see just enough to continue for landing but then the vis dropped immediately after touchdown/selection of reverse thrust.
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Old 5th Mar 2015, 03:16
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Watch the entire video in the prevous Facebook link, towards the end (2:24); it shows just post stop inside and just before pax evac (I assume). It is out of sequence. https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=625852884214283

I would have thought that if pax had time to sit around, fill the aisles with luggage (lots of luggage and all overhead bins are open), that an emergency evac would not have been started? Something seems off. Thoughts?

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Old 5th Mar 2015, 04:56
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"I believe the cost of fuel is high in KTM, as a result airlines might choose to tanker fuel for the return leg. If this was the case the planes which returned to KUL would have more than enough to get back."


Don't forget the Maximum Landing Weight (KTM Apt Elev 4395').
The tankering fuel is limited.
"Speculation". No more than two hours.
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Old 5th Mar 2015, 06:40
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Old 5th Mar 2015, 06:41
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this morning 0545UTC, TK sends a pair of A330s to Tribhuvan
TK 5826 (TCJNM) and the regular TK 726 (TCJOA), so things must have cleared by then..
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Old 5th Mar 2015, 07:29
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On the video it looks like the L1 slide didn't deploy.
This one reason why the regulation requires to do the evacuation test with only 50% of the available exits. This is why we have cross-aisles at every large emergency exit. It is expected, that not all doors are available, for whatever reason. Not ideal, but normal and expected. You can not check the slides prior to every flight, and if you would test them regularly, it would tell you nothing because you have to re-pack after.
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Old 5th Mar 2015, 07:42
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Doesn't look 900m RVR which appears to be req mins for the Rnav appr from that face book video. Looks like pea soup.
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Old 5th Mar 2015, 07:42
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L1 slide

As the nose is resting in the dirt CC may have elected to disable the slide.
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Old 5th Mar 2015, 08:05
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Lots of insurers will cover Turkish, like they do all airlines. Like all insurance, it is just a matter of balancing the books across the many.....

MH have no problems getting insurance....Turkish won't either.
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Old 5th Mar 2015, 10:31
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The Popular Turkish bashing has started again I see, even before any accident report has appeared
Very Professional guys

Every airline, including so called legacy carriers have incidents regulary.

KLM likes to take off from wrong runways/taxiways or without clearances ( even at home base)

BA helps in demolishing buildings next to taxiways through the aid of B747 wings

Lufthansa has a nick for landing on a construction site

Emirates has the regular tail strike

AF...no further comment required...

Etc etc.

Consequence: zero. No fatalities, keep moving people. Nothing to see.

But when TK has an incident, the blaming, insulting etc. Is all over the place.


In my opinion, the incident has nothing to do with busting minima. They went off the runway, so whatever went wrong, went wrong AFTER touchdown. Busting minima results in potential CFIT. Not the case here it seems.
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Old 5th Mar 2015, 10:41
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Rather than the type or number of incidents/accidents being significant it's the reasons/causes behind them that really counts.

At this stage we don't know all the facts but we will eventually.
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Old 5th Mar 2015, 11:47
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But when TK has an incident, the blaming, insulting etc. Is all over the place.
Let's stick to the facts then. Since 1994 they had 7 incidents (excluding Kathmandu) where the aircraft was written off (4 with casualties), 6 of those happened during landing. Other operators (mentioned by you) does not seem to have such number of re-occurence.
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Old 5th Mar 2015, 11:47
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Thanks for the charts, Aterpster.
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Old 5th Mar 2015, 12:07
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Of course it's pay to fly. I always have to pay as a passenger.
Passenger on seat 0A... after two hours on hold pattern, a go around and a fully automated approach in dense fog, up to the runway threshold, I guess the moment of touch down was a combination of high stress and startle effect that overwhelmed PF.
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Old 5th Mar 2015, 12:43
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Anyone knows what avionics THY's A330s are equipped with (FLS capability)?
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Old 5th Mar 2015, 13:33
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Love the way you attack people for speculation and tell them to wait for the investigation.

Then you tell us that it happened after touchdown, how they left the runway.

Yet you are speculating. Hypocritical and wrong

The aircraft can't veer off a runway if it was never properly on the runway.

Would poor visibility lead to an aircraft landing with landing with at least one set of wheels off the tarmac?
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Old 5th Mar 2015, 13:37
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Turkish Airlines plane crashes since 1970
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