Ryanair and 900 hours a year limitation?
Join Date: May 2002
Location: London
Posts: 38
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
To basil f and any of the other anti-ryan mob, heres what will happen in the next 10hrs or so (ie today). I estimate that ryanair will operate over 300 flts on a/c that have all been thru rigorous overnight checks,with no c/fwd defects. These a/c are maintained to JAR145 and last audit was i believe in Mar and according to Dep. head of Eng. we got a clean bill of health. The a/c will be op by well trained pilots, all of whom op in full compliance with JAR OPs, each of whom will fly 4 or 6 sctrs as part of a 4 or 5 day roster with 3 or 2 days off as per a roster that was issued over 5 weeks ago and which doesnt change.
Compared to others (and sincere best wishes to all friends &colleagues in E.I.)we could be a lot worse. THe point basil f, is criticise policies, mol, etc, but please keep quiet about non-existant concerns abt safety,there are none. You only belittle professional colleagues here in ryan and at all other airlines.
Compared to others (and sincere best wishes to all friends &colleagues in E.I.)we could be a lot worse. THe point basil f, is criticise policies, mol, etc, but please keep quiet about non-existant concerns abt safety,there are none. You only belittle professional colleagues here in ryan and at all other airlines.
Is it FR SOPs to career off the runway onto the hi speed turnoff at LPL with the reverse buckets still deployed and decelarating madly all the way to the end? Please don't anyone say they can't have done that because I saw it happen, and not only once.
The number of other alledged incidents (not in the official meaning, obviously) previously reported in these pages leads one to assume then that FR have an SOP for every seemingly dodgy practice. That is if a recent post here is to be believed about rigid adherence to SOPs.
Not having been a 737 operator, the above may be perfectly acceptable, just looks very iffy to me.
Would welcome elucidation on this point from anyone in a position to do so.
Doc C.
The number of other alledged incidents (not in the official meaning, obviously) previously reported in these pages leads one to assume then that FR have an SOP for every seemingly dodgy practice. That is if a recent post here is to be believed about rigid adherence to SOPs.
Not having been a 737 operator, the above may be perfectly acceptable, just looks very iffy to me.
Would welcome elucidation on this point from anyone in a position to do so.
Doc C.
Join Date: May 2002
Location: Who can say?
Posts: 1,700
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
There seems to be a misconseption that an airline without safety-related incidents is a safe airline, and that an airline that has a significant number of safety-related incidents is not safe.
This is a dangerously sel-satisfied attitude, and far from the only attitude that matters where aviation safety is concerned, which is that of being proactive and professional.
To state that things at FR must be good because the IAA hasn't stamped on them is also a non sequitur. There are very significant concerns about the IAA's regulatory attitude at present.
There are many, many people out there who have witnessed countless instances of poor airmanship by FR pilots. (FR, however, it must be pointed out, are not the only employers of such pilots). So far, my conclusion is that FR have been lucky. I sincerely hope that they remain so. I prefer, however, to rely on things a little more tangible than luck.
This is a dangerously sel-satisfied attitude, and far from the only attitude that matters where aviation safety is concerned, which is that of being proactive and professional.
To state that things at FR must be good because the IAA hasn't stamped on them is also a non sequitur. There are very significant concerns about the IAA's regulatory attitude at present.
There are many, many people out there who have witnessed countless instances of poor airmanship by FR pilots. (FR, however, it must be pointed out, are not the only employers of such pilots). So far, my conclusion is that FR have been lucky. I sincerely hope that they remain so. I prefer, however, to rely on things a little more tangible than luck.
Per Ardua ad Astraeus
Join Date: Mar 2000
Location: UK
Posts: 18,579
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
with the reverse buckets still deployed and decelarating
I post this only for clarification for you since you have asked.
Acceptable Boeing 737 practice is to stow the 'buckets' when at taxy speed. Quote from an Ops manual - "At 60 kts, reduce reverse thrust to be at idle reverse when reaching taxi speed".
Use of reverse, therefore, on a slip is by no means wrong - as long as the Ops manual allows it. One would expect the 'buckets' to be stowed when at normal taxy speed.
Join Date: May 2002
Location: London
Posts: 38
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Capt stable, ur post is far beneath the standards one should expect of a moderator. Shame on u. So after 15 plus years, over 100,ooo flights p.a.,11m pax p.a., regular audits by IAA,Boeing, MAS teams from JAR, and the dutch authorities as part of their JAR OPS audit of IAA- we are just ''lucky''? This is a professional, well operated flt ops organisation whose record speaks for itself. Unlike the subjective baseless nonsense of prev 2 posts.
Can u pls revert to criticising ryan for all the rest of the worlds problems but get off safety where there is no - repeat no - case to answer.
Can u pls revert to criticising ryan for all the rest of the worlds problems but get off safety where there is no - repeat no - case to answer.
Join Date: Jun 2000
Location: underground
Posts: 227
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Lets all be absolutely clear about the engine being started on taxiing. Both Airbus & Boeing along with McDonnel Douglas all
publish single engine taxi IN & OUT standard operating procedures.It can save bucket loads of fuel & time at large aerodromes with long taxyways, especially at light weights.
Whether you like it or not,and your company permit its use, is another matter.
As for the reverser buckets, no problem in my mind.
publish single engine taxi IN & OUT standard operating procedures.It can save bucket loads of fuel & time at large aerodromes with long taxyways, especially at light weights.
Whether you like it or not,and your company permit its use, is another matter.
As for the reverser buckets, no problem in my mind.
Join Date: May 2002
Location: Who can say?
Posts: 1,700
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
ILUV
Just in case you think I am merely an outsider with no knowledge of what goes on inside FR, think again. I have many years' experience in Flight Safety. I have many, many contacts. My points are, unfortunately, rather more than baseless, and very far from subjective. In order to protect the anonymity of several people, I shall not go into further details here.
I have no doubt that the vast majority of people within FR are very professional, competent and safety-conscious. There are, however, many exceptions. I have doubts about the corporate culture, about the management structure and about the financial pressures within the company. I also have significant doubts about the IAA.
I reiterate my point:- that to point at an accident-free past and make the claim, based solely upon that, that and airline is safe is not a valid deduction.
Just in case you think I am merely an outsider with no knowledge of what goes on inside FR, think again. I have many years' experience in Flight Safety. I have many, many contacts. My points are, unfortunately, rather more than baseless, and very far from subjective. In order to protect the anonymity of several people, I shall not go into further details here.
I have no doubt that the vast majority of people within FR are very professional, competent and safety-conscious. There are, however, many exceptions. I have doubts about the corporate culture, about the management structure and about the financial pressures within the company. I also have significant doubts about the IAA.
I reiterate my point:- that to point at an accident-free past and make the claim, based solely upon that, that and airline is safe is not a valid deduction.
Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: Sussex, England
Posts: 110
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Safety is no accident -
I have reason to believe you may be right.
Like I say, EVERY airline has a few plonkers!!
Luckily they normally shoot themselves in the foot.
Let's see what happens.
I have reason to believe you may be right.
Like I say, EVERY airline has a few plonkers!!
Luckily they normally shoot themselves in the foot.
Let's see what happens.
Join Date: May 2001
Location: Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes
Posts: 315
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
I work for an Irish Company that courtesy of the IAA does its own thing. 14 hr days, reduced 'off duty' time ie 20 mins instead of 30 mins ( Adds up over our 6-2-6-3 outine ) Reporting with the CC 15 mins earlier but not counted, added to the above that is 25 mins a day on your duty. The management hate the pilots and the feeling is reciprocated. Lots waiting to get out and some are -at a rate of 10% a year, at one of the lowest times in aviation. Prior to that 50% exit rate. The management are mostly ex-Irish Air Corps with the rich avaition background that brings.
I've heard if you go sick - you are forced to undergo a demeaning medical by a GP that has to measure your ability and fitness to work for XX. Every year we have two medicals (old fart) carried out by an AME - so what. After the medical people get letters stating that their performance is being monitored . . . . .
FTDL are ROSTERED to the Max. Fatigue is emdemic. We even have to gather scraps from the PAX meal trays to be fed. This is no lie. We fly into the middle of London on double sector days after min rest etc etc etc.
Management think things are fine because they have lots of CVs 'In the bank' but things change rapidly in aviation. All that will happen is that they will continue to employ low time people or non-europeans with dubious work permits.
Hole in the ground waiting to happen - do they care?
I've heard if you go sick - you are forced to undergo a demeaning medical by a GP that has to measure your ability and fitness to work for XX. Every year we have two medicals (old fart) carried out by an AME - so what. After the medical people get letters stating that their performance is being monitored . . . . .
FTDL are ROSTERED to the Max. Fatigue is emdemic. We even have to gather scraps from the PAX meal trays to be fed. This is no lie. We fly into the middle of London on double sector days after min rest etc etc etc.
Management think things are fine because they have lots of CVs 'In the bank' but things change rapidly in aviation. All that will happen is that they will continue to employ low time people or non-europeans with dubious work permits.
Hole in the ground waiting to happen - do they care?
Join Date: May 2002
Location: London
Posts: 38
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Capt. Stable
More subjective nonsense. You doubt ryanair, doubt JARops, doubt the IAA, you must also doubt the whole jar ops process. god save us all from such self appointed ''experts''. Our 15 year record doesnt prove everything but it continues to confound all the knockers on pprune. Move on to something you might actually know something about- cos clearly u know zilch about flt ops or pilots in ryanair.
More subjective nonsense. You doubt ryanair, doubt JARops, doubt the IAA, you must also doubt the whole jar ops process. god save us all from such self appointed ''experts''. Our 15 year record doesnt prove everything but it continues to confound all the knockers on pprune. Move on to something you might actually know something about- cos clearly u know zilch about flt ops or pilots in ryanair.
Join Date: May 2002
Location: Who can say?
Posts: 1,700
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
No, ILUV, not subjective either, as there is plenty of evidence for all my assertions.
I have no doubts about JAA - just about the manner in which its rules are overseen and enforced by the IAA which has been shown, as I say, time and again to be toothless and ineffective.
As long as you and those like you continue to put your head in the sand, refusing to accept that people outside FR know a bit about what goes on there, you will have no credibility whatsoever.
The day that FR does have an accident there will be a queue miles long of people waiting to say "I told you so". It will be a very sad day for European aviation generally, not only because of the possible loss of life, but for jobs, for confidence in other airlines on the part of the paying public, and for all FR employees.
FR can be a major asset to European aviation. I value the competition they provide other airlines, and value the jobs they give people. They would be even more valuable if they could convince many of my colleagues in the Flight Safety community that they were safer than most people seem to think.
You seem to think I am alone in my conclusions. I am not. Furthermore, when it comes to my flight safety qualifications, I am not "self-appointed".
I have no doubts about JAA - just about the manner in which its rules are overseen and enforced by the IAA which has been shown, as I say, time and again to be toothless and ineffective.
As long as you and those like you continue to put your head in the sand, refusing to accept that people outside FR know a bit about what goes on there, you will have no credibility whatsoever.
The day that FR does have an accident there will be a queue miles long of people waiting to say "I told you so". It will be a very sad day for European aviation generally, not only because of the possible loss of life, but for jobs, for confidence in other airlines on the part of the paying public, and for all FR employees.
FR can be a major asset to European aviation. I value the competition they provide other airlines, and value the jobs they give people. They would be even more valuable if they could convince many of my colleagues in the Flight Safety community that they were safer than most people seem to think.
You seem to think I am alone in my conclusions. I am not. Furthermore, when it comes to my flight safety qualifications, I am not "self-appointed".
Join Date: May 2002
Location: London
Posts: 38
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
No Joke
Only one solution to ur problems. Leave and join Ryanair!
Normal duty day is 9hrs, but great fixed rosters of 5-2-4-3 or 9days in 14. No chance of taking scraps off pax meal trays, cos there are no mael trays, but i'm quite happy to take the extra sector pay in lieu of inedible crew meals. OK management dont love me but as long as pay increases keep coming , share options keep rising, and new 800's keep arriving (no. 21 this week)and promotions keep being made, I'll just learn to do without love.
By the way did i mention the best in business sector pay check which i get in my hot little paw each month? Over £2k last mth,and never a 14 hr day in sight. Must dash Ryan golf society tomorrow in the Hermitage -time sheet full of people just too fatigued to come out and watch events in Aer Lingus.
By the way no joke, i see fm a previous post dat u ''dont work for an irish company,but a good friend does''. Looks like de jokes on u. Just another ryan basher. Cant understand why u all bother! Get a job, get a dog, get a life.
Only one solution to ur problems. Leave and join Ryanair!
Normal duty day is 9hrs, but great fixed rosters of 5-2-4-3 or 9days in 14. No chance of taking scraps off pax meal trays, cos there are no mael trays, but i'm quite happy to take the extra sector pay in lieu of inedible crew meals. OK management dont love me but as long as pay increases keep coming , share options keep rising, and new 800's keep arriving (no. 21 this week)and promotions keep being made, I'll just learn to do without love.
By the way did i mention the best in business sector pay check which i get in my hot little paw each month? Over £2k last mth,and never a 14 hr day in sight. Must dash Ryan golf society tomorrow in the Hermitage -time sheet full of people just too fatigued to come out and watch events in Aer Lingus.
By the way no joke, i see fm a previous post dat u ''dont work for an irish company,but a good friend does''. Looks like de jokes on u. Just another ryan basher. Cant understand why u all bother! Get a job, get a dog, get a life.
Join Date: Apr 2000
Location: UK
Posts: 244
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Why is it that whenever a Ryanair thread pops us, the phrases "I've heard", "I've got friends at X Y and Z who say this", "I think", "According to so and so", "apparently" "I've heard rumours that"..........start being offered?
.......sorry, it just fails to convince the rest of us that you actually know what you're talking about!
There are a startling lack of FACTS in any of the Ryanair threads on pprune....just accusations. And when asked for facts, people retreat under the cloak of anonymity and not wanting to name names etc........all leads many to think a lot of these accusations are rather baseless.
Oh well!
.......sorry, it just fails to convince the rest of us that you actually know what you're talking about!
There are a startling lack of FACTS in any of the Ryanair threads on pprune....just accusations. And when asked for facts, people retreat under the cloak of anonymity and not wanting to name names etc........all leads many to think a lot of these accusations are rather baseless.
Oh well!
Captain stable:
I really do think that you have exceeded your remit as a moderator.
How can you be a moderator (whatever that means) and slag off Ryanair constantly at the same time?
I cannot believe some of your recent comments. For example, it was BA that nearly demolished the Penta Hotel at Heathrow and nearly killed hundreds of people and not Ryanair. Are you going to tell us that they were "lucky" also and that everything was in order in their flight operations department?
Either come out from under your wonderful "title" and debate with the rest of us or stick to Latin American affairs please.
Personally, I think you should be ashamed of yourself!
I really do think that you have exceeded your remit as a moderator.
How can you be a moderator (whatever that means) and slag off Ryanair constantly at the same time?
I cannot believe some of your recent comments. For example, it was BA that nearly demolished the Penta Hotel at Heathrow and nearly killed hundreds of people and not Ryanair. Are you going to tell us that they were "lucky" also and that everything was in order in their flight operations department?
Either come out from under your wonderful "title" and debate with the rest of us or stick to Latin American affairs please.
Personally, I think you should be ashamed of yourself!
Join Date: May 2002
Location: Who can say?
Posts: 1,700
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
My intention was not to slag off RyanAir specifically. I apologise for having allowed myself to be drawn into such an idiotic argument. I know quite a bit about the internal workings of quite a few airlines. I am not fool enough to think that others are significantly different.
Every airline would prefer to keep a smooth image on the surface. To believe all their propaganda, you would think there are no arguments, no unfair pressures on any pilots to go with less fuel than they would like, no wrangles about whether such-and-such a route can be flown in 80 minutes with a 35-minute turnround, no hassles between them and handling agents, no pilots land up on the Fleet Manager's carpet with a phone book down the back of the trousers for this, that or the other infringement.
All I intended doing was pointing out the fallacy in the "We've had no accidents therefore we're safe" argument. I also pointed out that, where unprofessional airmanship is concerned, RyanAir hold no sort of monopoly. I also intended to highlight some very serious allegations that have been made in recent weeks and months about the effectiveness of the IAA. If people choose to ignore such allegations, that is up to them. As I said on a different thread, it is very worrying indeed if the safety regulators for an entire country's aviation industry are incapable of doing their job properly.
To put such allegations and rumours in the proper context, there have been many, many rude comments made over the years about the CAA. Some have alleged that they are, in effect, the regulatory arm of BA. I have never heard, however, that they refuse to enforce safety regulations.
Every airline would prefer to keep a smooth image on the surface. To believe all their propaganda, you would think there are no arguments, no unfair pressures on any pilots to go with less fuel than they would like, no wrangles about whether such-and-such a route can be flown in 80 minutes with a 35-minute turnround, no hassles between them and handling agents, no pilots land up on the Fleet Manager's carpet with a phone book down the back of the trousers for this, that or the other infringement.
All I intended doing was pointing out the fallacy in the "We've had no accidents therefore we're safe" argument. I also pointed out that, where unprofessional airmanship is concerned, RyanAir hold no sort of monopoly. I also intended to highlight some very serious allegations that have been made in recent weeks and months about the effectiveness of the IAA. If people choose to ignore such allegations, that is up to them. As I said on a different thread, it is very worrying indeed if the safety regulators for an entire country's aviation industry are incapable of doing their job properly.
To put such allegations and rumours in the proper context, there have been many, many rude comments made over the years about the CAA. Some have alleged that they are, in effect, the regulatory arm of BA. I have never heard, however, that they refuse to enforce safety regulations.
Join Date: Feb 2000
Location: Dublin, Ireland
Posts: 149
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Capt Stable,
Where did you hear these allegations about the IAA ?
If you know something about safety being compromised by Ryanair or the IAA then you MUST raise the issue officially.
If you do not, then you will share any responsibility for any accident that occurs. Saying "I told you so" after the event will not get you off the hook, it will incriminate you.
I live in Ireland and fly regularly. I may be a victim of your silence.
If, on the other hand, you are just slagging off Ryanair then you are a disgrace and have no right to consider yourself a professional.
Do you, or do you not, know something ? Have you reported it ?
If you have no evidence then you should not repeat damaging allegations on a public forum.
Where did you hear these allegations about the IAA ?
If you know something about safety being compromised by Ryanair or the IAA then you MUST raise the issue officially.
If you do not, then you will share any responsibility for any accident that occurs. Saying "I told you so" after the event will not get you off the hook, it will incriminate you.
I live in Ireland and fly regularly. I may be a victim of your silence.
If, on the other hand, you are just slagging off Ryanair then you are a disgrace and have no right to consider yourself a professional.
Do you, or do you not, know something ? Have you reported it ?
If you have no evidence then you should not repeat damaging allegations on a public forum.
Join Date: May 2002
Location: Who can say?
Posts: 1,700
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
FlyingV, since I have no official standing within any regulatory body, I am not kept fully updated on the state of relations between them and airlines.
All the items I have mentioned above have been brought to the awareness of organisations that are capable of addressing them.
All the items I have mentioned above have been brought to the awareness of organisations that are capable of addressing them.
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: DUB
Posts: 11
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Capt Stable - You suggest that you hold some standing in the flight safety community. If you are serious about your concerns then why dont you use your "many, many years experience" in flight safety and your "many, many contacts" to report them.
Its great to see another intelligent, informed and balanced debate about Ryanair.
Its great to see another intelligent, informed and balanced debate about Ryanair.