Ryanair and 900 hours a year limitation?
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I am confused. On your profile you say that you are a civil engineer. On this thread you say you work for FR. Which is it? Either update your profile, or stop telling "porkies".
I am confused. On your profile you say that you are a civil engineer. On this thread you say you work for FR. Which is it? Either update your profile, or stop telling "porkies".
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ILUV2FLY,
I come from the real world, if you must know. So come down from your ivory tower and smell the coffee, as many others posts have mentioned. You're on your own on this one mate.
As sapco2 has pointed out this is a serious business. I reiterate I am apalled at your attitude to what is a very serious business. Stop your sarcastic coments and make a serious case for Ryanair if you genuinely believe in what is happening there!
I come from the real world, if you must know. So come down from your ivory tower and smell the coffee, as many others posts have mentioned. You're on your own on this one mate.
As sapco2 has pointed out this is a serious business. I reiterate I am apalled at your attitude to what is a very serious business. Stop your sarcastic coments and make a serious case for Ryanair if you genuinely believe in what is happening there!
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All interested in the regulator's stance - please be advised that - startling new evidence has come to my attention.
There is a letter in existence signed by the IAA approving the FR methodology and addressed to FR. Strangely, FR has not yet made this letter public. It vindicates the FR approach and makes recent IAA comments rather silly. Why no resignation? Admission on the IAA's part?
Is MOL keeping this letter up his sleeve? Are the IAA sweating because he might yet furnish the letter?
Answers on a postage stamp - but - the letter exists. I assure you. Does anyone else know of it's contents and existence?
There is a letter in existence signed by the IAA approving the FR methodology and addressed to FR. Strangely, FR has not yet made this letter public. It vindicates the FR approach and makes recent IAA comments rather silly. Why no resignation? Admission on the IAA's part?
Is MOL keeping this letter up his sleeve? Are the IAA sweating because he might yet furnish the letter?
Answers on a postage stamp - but - the letter exists. I assure you. Does anyone else know of it's contents and existence?
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From the BALPA website:
"10 September, 2002
RYANAIR CHALLENGED BY BALPA
Pilots working for Ryanair are receiving conflicting advice about how many hours they should fly and today the British Air Line Pilots' Association (BALPA) wrote to the Chief Pilot at Ryanair demanding clarification.
Graham Fowler, Deputy General Secretary of BALPA said pilots faced uncertainty, and uncertainty does not make for a safe situation.
He said: 'Ryanair has told its pilots that the Irish Aviation Authority has agreed with the company on a change in the way flying hours are counted (to a fixed year, April 1 to March 31, in effect disregarding all hours flown up to and including March 31).
'However, the Irish Aviation Authority has told Ryanair pilots that there is no such agreement with the airline and pilots should continue counting flying hours on a rolling 12 month period.
'The Irish Aviation Authority has confirmed this to BALPA.
'We are asking the Chief Pilot at Ryanair to clarify the situation. There is a danger that by switching to a fixed year period pilots would be scheduled by the airline to fly more than the 900 hours a year limit. 'The limit is a vital element of the rules which govern pilot hours to ensure they are properly rested and fit to fly
'Ryanair must do as the Irish Aviation Authority has ruled. If it does not, it stands in danger of having its licence to fly withdrawn.'
"10 September, 2002
RYANAIR CHALLENGED BY BALPA
Pilots working for Ryanair are receiving conflicting advice about how many hours they should fly and today the British Air Line Pilots' Association (BALPA) wrote to the Chief Pilot at Ryanair demanding clarification.
Graham Fowler, Deputy General Secretary of BALPA said pilots faced uncertainty, and uncertainty does not make for a safe situation.
He said: 'Ryanair has told its pilots that the Irish Aviation Authority has agreed with the company on a change in the way flying hours are counted (to a fixed year, April 1 to March 31, in effect disregarding all hours flown up to and including March 31).
'However, the Irish Aviation Authority has told Ryanair pilots that there is no such agreement with the airline and pilots should continue counting flying hours on a rolling 12 month period.
'The Irish Aviation Authority has confirmed this to BALPA.
'We are asking the Chief Pilot at Ryanair to clarify the situation. There is a danger that by switching to a fixed year period pilots would be scheduled by the airline to fly more than the 900 hours a year limit. 'The limit is a vital element of the rules which govern pilot hours to ensure they are properly rested and fit to fly
'Ryanair must do as the Irish Aviation Authority has ruled. If it does not, it stands in danger of having its licence to fly withdrawn.'
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What's new? A sined letter from the IAA. That's new. That's clear proof of skullduggery and dirty tricks. It will emerge - I assure you.
It is pretty black & white in terms of the regulator's stance.
I have a copy of the letter and was gobsmacked - mainly because FR did not take any legal action. Why?
Why have certain IAA individuals not tendered their resignation?
They may yet...
Or at the very least admit that they are "anti-Ryanair" in this matter having already given confirmation and assurance by signed letter explicitly detailing the terms and agreeing to the new practice.
Quite simply - when the books open up and the actualities of these situations emerge, litigation, litigation, litigation...
I know who my money's on...
It's hard to contradict incontravertible proof. Am I allowed to attach a .pdf copy of the letter to my post?
Upon reflection, it may damage any future litigation.
Slander and libel are terrible things, if you know of anyone involved in this practice, please contact the Gardai - immediately - in the interests of safety, industrial espionage and coporate thuggery. (Careful though - if they are a semi-state body!).
It is pretty black & white in terms of the regulator's stance.
I have a copy of the letter and was gobsmacked - mainly because FR did not take any legal action. Why?
Why have certain IAA individuals not tendered their resignation?
They may yet...
Or at the very least admit that they are "anti-Ryanair" in this matter having already given confirmation and assurance by signed letter explicitly detailing the terms and agreeing to the new practice.
Quite simply - when the books open up and the actualities of these situations emerge, litigation, litigation, litigation...
I know who my money's on...
It's hard to contradict incontravertible proof. Am I allowed to attach a .pdf copy of the letter to my post?
Upon reflection, it may damage any future litigation.
Slander and libel are terrible things, if you know of anyone involved in this practice, please contact the Gardai - immediately - in the interests of safety, industrial espionage and coporate thuggery. (Careful though - if they are a semi-state body!).
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There is a letter from the IAA - its on an unreadable tiny photocopy on the crewroom wall! Why so shy ?
Some of the guys have seen the real version and it does appear that paxman is right. It seems like one or two of the IAA inspectors got carried away by their green shamrockery past and have put the IAA in a bit of a spot.
Whatever happens - I hope we don't move to CAP371 (sorry to all the Brits but i prefer FR rosters to what the orange people are doing).
Heaven help us though if MOL discovers that the Germans can do 1300 hours in twelve months.140 hours a month - argh ( but at £30 per hour sector pay .. maybe ... no I couldn't...
Oh .. I wonder if BALPA going to take on the Germans or do you non leprechawns only do that when the Americans are around.
Auf Wiedersehen
Some of the guys have seen the real version and it does appear that paxman is right. It seems like one or two of the IAA inspectors got carried away by their green shamrockery past and have put the IAA in a bit of a spot.
Whatever happens - I hope we don't move to CAP371 (sorry to all the Brits but i prefer FR rosters to what the orange people are doing).
Heaven help us though if MOL discovers that the Germans can do 1300 hours in twelve months.140 hours a month - argh ( but at £30 per hour sector pay .. maybe ... no I couldn't...
Oh .. I wonder if BALPA going to take on the Germans or do you non leprechawns only do that when the Americans are around.
Auf Wiedersehen
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Quick quote from the Times the other day:-
'Ryanair warned
Ryanair may be banned from flying if it keeps ignoring rules on maximum flying hours for pilots, the British Airline Pilots’ Association said. Pilots working for the budget airline had gone beyond the annual 900-hour limit but feared dismissal if they refused to fly. Ryanair has been asked to explain.'
'Ryanair warned
Ryanair may be banned from flying if it keeps ignoring rules on maximum flying hours for pilots, the British Airline Pilots’ Association said. Pilots working for the budget airline had gone beyond the annual 900-hour limit but feared dismissal if they refused to fly. Ryanair has been asked to explain.'
