MH17 down near Donetsk
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From: est
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From: san diego
"CNN just reported on-air that pro-Russian separatists claimed to have shot down a second Ukrainian military plane shortly before the report of MH17 being missing. They were careful not to say the planes were one and the same, but the lack now of a downed Ukrainian plane does make one wonder."
Cue rumors and conspiracy theories, but apparently there were some tweets...
Cue rumors and conspiracy theories, but apparently there were some tweets...
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From: Planet Earth
There are people in Ukraine / Russia who know who pulled the trigger to launch this " assumed " SAM , they will be found and they will be punished.
Considering all the time spent searching for the reasons of MH 370's disappearance , the search for the culprits in this case will be swifter and far more determined.
If it was a national military involved , a ban on their nations' airlines would at least be a minimal consideration.
Considering all the time spent searching for the reasons of MH 370's disappearance , the search for the culprits in this case will be swifter and far more determined.
If it was a national military involved , a ban on their nations' airlines would at least be a minimal consideration.
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From: UK
It's all about keeping the accountants happy by taking the shortest possible route until it all goes wrong, like today. I doubt that you will be able to get an MH accountant to answer the phone right now. I hope they sleep well tonight.
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First, the plane was shot well inside the Ukrainian territory. The "Buk" system cannot operate at such ranges if it were deployed on the Russian territory.
Second, the Ukrainian army does have Buk systems. And they are notorious for erroneously shooting down a plane coming from Israel to Russia some 10-15 years ago. However, I can hardly believe they did it, unless anybody went totally mad or planned a provocation to blame Russia.
There were unconfirmed rumors that the Ukrainian rebels in the south-eastern part of the country have recently got 1-2 Buk complexes after their successful offensive towards some (Ukrainian) army locations (home bases). In a similar way they got some IFVs and artillery systems earlier because the army is very weak. If the latter is true and the system is operative and in use, then most likely the rebels thought it was a transport aircraft of the Ukrainian Air Force. They shot down one or two of them very recently.
Anyway, there should be E-3 Sentry and also the Russian A-50s monitoring the conflict area from far away, so the records should exist. Also, the flight recorders should not be damaged.
Second, the Ukrainian army does have Buk systems. And they are notorious for erroneously shooting down a plane coming from Israel to Russia some 10-15 years ago. However, I can hardly believe they did it, unless anybody went totally mad or planned a provocation to blame Russia.
There were unconfirmed rumors that the Ukrainian rebels in the south-eastern part of the country have recently got 1-2 Buk complexes after their successful offensive towards some (Ukrainian) army locations (home bases). In a similar way they got some IFVs and artillery systems earlier because the army is very weak. If the latter is true and the system is operative and in use, then most likely the rebels thought it was a transport aircraft of the Ukrainian Air Force. They shot down one or two of them very recently.
Anyway, there should be E-3 Sentry and also the Russian A-50s monitoring the conflict area from far away, so the records should exist. Also, the flight recorders should not be damaged.
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From: EHRD for now.
Ukrainian rebel commander posted something about shooting down a Antonov at about the same time MH flight crasht......I can see it happening that way, rebel crew with a missile system of what they are not exact sure how to handle it, let alone being able to recognize plane types on FL 33.
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I cannot believe that the Russians would have shot this aircraft down, or that he Ukrainian Government would have either.
The rebels, now that's another story.
But please keep in mind, all we really know is that it crashed.
The rebels, now that's another story.
But please keep in mind, all we really know is that it crashed.
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From: Bangkok
This NOTAM apparently refers to the Russian takeover of the Crimea:
Reuters 03 Apr. 2014
Europe safety agency urges airlines to avoid Crimean airspace | Reuters
I could not find any NOTAM warning against overflying of the war theater, even after several aircraft had been shot down.
Reuters 03 Apr. 2014
(Reuters) - Europe's aviation safety authority warned on Thursday of "serious risks" for international airlines flying over Crimea because there may be two services managing airspace there after the region's annexation by Russia.
The European Aviation Safety Agency said Russia had published a series of notices saying it intended to provide air traffic services within the area controlled by the flight information center at Simferopol, Crimea's main airport.
EASA, which is based in Germany, therefore said national aviation authorities in Europe should encourage carriers to avoid the airspace over Crimea, which Russia seized from Ukraine last month, and use alternative routes.
"It is unsafe if more than one Air Traffic Service provider is in charge of one single Flight Information Region (FIR); no compromise can be made with the safety of the flying passengers," Patrick Ky, executive director at EASA, said.
The European Aviation Safety Agency said Russia had published a series of notices saying it intended to provide air traffic services within the area controlled by the flight information center at Simferopol, Crimea's main airport.
EASA, which is based in Germany, therefore said national aviation authorities in Europe should encourage carriers to avoid the airspace over Crimea, which Russia seized from Ukraine last month, and use alternative routes.
"It is unsafe if more than one Air Traffic Service provider is in charge of one single Flight Information Region (FIR); no compromise can be made with the safety of the flying passengers," Patrick Ky, executive director at EASA, said.
I could not find any NOTAM warning against overflying of the war theater, even after several aircraft had been shot down.
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From: us
Ukraine shot down a Russian airliner in 2001
Ukraine admits it shot down Russian airliner - Telegraph
Departed Tel Aviv so the Israeli's got involved in the investigation.
Departed Tel Aviv so the Israeli's got involved in the investigation.
