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Malaysian Airlines MH370 contact lost

Old 12th Mar 2014, 10:06
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Old 12th Mar 2014, 10:07
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News conference

the last rmaf radar plot of an unidentified aircraft was at 02.15 am 200 nm north west of penang.
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Old 12th Mar 2014, 10:10
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The PC I just watched.
Reporter asked about ACARS but the DCA man evaded the question and answered about Radar. Intentional or just clueless.??????
ACARS sends aircraft systems report down real time.
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Old 12th Mar 2014, 10:10
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Conference

Some points picked up so far from conference:

Reports of a body discovered with life jacket dismissed

Military representative reiterates there was no live tracking of this aircraft, a review of the data for this aircraft was reviewed and a potential indication of a turnaround.

Admission more international help is arriving today to help review their current findings.

Poorly handled press breifing and utter lack of disciplined control on press, was a free for all. The military rep looked like he was going to break down in tears.
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Old 12th Mar 2014, 10:10
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These press conferences are way too short and should be held for one hour, twice daily.

It's almost like they can't wait to leave and don't want to be there either.
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Old 12th Mar 2014, 10:11
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"What was in the information from the engines that was sent to Rolls Royce?"

"It is imperative to find the aircraft and its black box so that we can put that information into perspective".


Hmmm. Strange reply if all was normal in those data.
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Old 12th Mar 2014, 10:15
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When I looked at the press conference, especially the parts about expanding the search to Malacca straits and the military radar, I thought it was very consistent and logical.

The initial search was last known position. That's the most logical place to look. When that proved inconclusive, the military ran analysis of recorded military radar over a wider area and noted an unidentified aircraft flying over the Malacca Straits at around the right time.

They had no idea if it was the missing aircraft as it was unidentified. They decided to search the Malacca Straits area as a secondary search based on the possibility.

Pretty straight forward and logical to me.
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Old 12th Mar 2014, 10:15
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Re the press conference. Don't get too hung up on the smiling - it may seem insensitive to us but in S.E. Asian cultures it's often an expression of emotional pain or embarrassment. Plenty of reason for both.
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Old 12th Mar 2014, 10:15
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<<RMAF chief: unidentified plot on primary radar at FL295, >>

How do they determine altitude from primary radar?
Easy.

I was Swiss Air Force Air Defense Radar operator

Easy thing. I have on my screen the unidentified echo with altitude, speed, heading and intercept course in order to scramble the planes ;-)
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Old 12th Mar 2014, 10:15
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They are going to have to conduct and expanding search pattern out to about 2,500nm from KL in ALL directions......

Also get ALL Radar centers in that search area I describe ( both civil and Military ) to check their recorded displays for any strange targets flying through their airspace on that morning......

Big job.

Like I said pages back, you do realise this 777 may be at the bottom of the Indian Ocean 2,500 nm west of Indonesia...
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Old 12th Mar 2014, 10:16
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Fatfish, I asked the same question a few posts ago. Either this muppet has no idea what ACARS is, or, it once again points to some sort of cover up.

The whole media conference was a farce. Late, basically said nothing, a whole lot of contradicting times of radar plots, and much smiling. Smiling and face saving might work locally people, but you are facing the world now.
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Old 12th Mar 2014, 10:20
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Transport Minister at the press conference said all radar data from civil and military radar was being shared today with the US NTSB and the FAA. So we may get something independently confirmed tomorrow.
Meanwhile all you conspiracy theorists may want to check the movements of the M.V. Disco Volante and the whereabouts of one Emilo Largo. Maybe you could ask "our man in station H" ( Hong Kong)
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Old 12th Mar 2014, 10:21
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Wow

Watching the news conference, it is blatantly clear the Malaysians are in disarray. I don't believe they are intentionally covering aspects up (if anything covering their own backside) it is just the fact they are unable to join the dots. We will never know now if this could have been a rescue operation.
Unfortunately it is too late, I hope to be wrong, but that media conference was farcical.
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Old 12th Mar 2014, 10:21
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I am wondering:
-how many unidentified plots on a radar were seen at the time MH370 went missing. Not much I guess.
-how much effort does it take to analyze the recording to learn alt, speed, heading of the plot
-how much other radars other than the Malaysia military could have picked up this plot on radar? Phuket?

so why does it take so much time to either confirm or rule out this unidentified plot was MH370?
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Old 12th Mar 2014, 10:22
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Ocean surveillance radar satellites should have seen a moving reflector over the ocean if the aircraft turned West and headed out to sea - but then so should Malaysian and Thai radars.

While their operators won't tell you that, I am sure that they could rule out a flight over the Indian Ocean if asked nicely.
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Old 12th Mar 2014, 10:22
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Can someone who has charts to do so, do a plot from there last non position prior to lost of transponder to a position 200 nm NW of Penang and see if it correlates with a time of 0214 allowing for wind!
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Old 12th Mar 2014, 10:26
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Originally Posted by comcomtech View Post
According to the news conference underway, five passengers were no-shows at the airport and replaced with four standby passengers, consequently no baggage was off-loaded. This contrasts with the statement a few days ago that five passengers who had checked in failed to board and their baggage was off-loaded.
Yes I think this is an example of quoting procedure instead of what actually happened. Similar in the news conference re the "was this aircraft checked for the know fuselage cracking issue", it was yes then clarified with yes that is the procedure, but I will need to check the records. If the speaker didn't have the time or confidence to clarify the answer, then the incorrect information is effectively given that yes this plane was definately checked.
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Old 12th Mar 2014, 10:27
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All this talk about unidentified Primary radar contact after LOS from the flight....
Surely a check of radar data from before contact was lost would indicate if there was another craft in the air adding to confusion or if the MH bird indeed went silent and changed course.
If there was an unidentified primary trace before the 'event' then the later unidentified signal could be discounted. If not, then that is indeed a track to follow.
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Old 12th Mar 2014, 10:28
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In the absence of any other confirmed data the most reasonable explanation is the aircraft did indeed go down where the transponder ceased transmitting.
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Old 12th Mar 2014, 10:30
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THe press conference did say that RR were sending someone from the UK to talk to them about the readouts.
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