Russian B737 Crash at Kazan.
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Many thanks for that, it doesn't appear she is on it so hopefully she got an earlier flight.
I didn't know you could get a pax list like that. It has certainly eased my concerns some.
Many thanks for that, it doesn't appear she is on it so hopefully she got an earlier flight.
I didn't know you could get a pax list like that. It has certainly eased my concerns some.
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News reports talk about 3'rd attempt to land and accident occurring at 3rd go around. How extraordinary would one interpret the chain of events, if this is true?
I'm baffled.
I'm baffled.
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A two engine go-around in the B737 can, for a number of reasons, turn into a complete balls-up, much dependent upon the pressing (or not) of various buttons and / or the movement (or not) of various levers!
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экипаж доложил диспетчерам, когда еще самолет находился за 500 метров до торца полосы, о непосадочном положении. Скорее всего, это может говорить о том, что была неисправна та или иная техника, какая именно, экипаж не уточнил", - отметил источник.
Он добавил, что после сообщения о неготовности к посадке экипаж попытался зайти на второй круг, однако, уже находясь над взлетно-посадочной полосой, пролетев примерно километр, самолет рухнул, ударившись носом о землю.
Он добавил, что после сообщения о неготовности к посадке экипаж попытался зайти на второй круг, однако, уже находясь над взлетно-посадочной полосой, пролетев примерно километр, самолет рухнул, ударившись носом о землю.
After that, already above RWY, the crew requests for GA. The plane flew approx 1km above RWY and than it hits the ground by its nose.
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one of the problems, besides the tragedy itself, is the poor translations.
could it be the crew wasn't in the configuration really means: they couldn't get the landing gear down?
and while screwing around trying to get the gear down, someone forgot to fly the plane first and stalled?
(all recall eastern airlines L1011).
and maybe the shaking reported by passengers on previous flight was a flap problem that only showed itself in a lowered flap configuration...and that instead of a gear problem it was a flap problem?
again, language makes me speculate to the above
could it be the crew wasn't in the configuration really means: they couldn't get the landing gear down?
and while screwing around trying to get the gear down, someone forgot to fly the plane first and stalled?
(all recall eastern airlines L1011).
and maybe the shaking reported by passengers on previous flight was a flap problem that only showed itself in a lowered flap configuration...and that instead of a gear problem it was a flap problem?
again, language makes me speculate to the above
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Originally Posted by NickBarnes
If it was apparent it was broken surely they wouldn't have taken off again :/
What country we are talking about?
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Originally Posted by NickBarnes
If it was apparent it was broken surely they wouldn't have taken off again :/
What country we are talking about?
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regarding older planes and shaking
I had the pleasure of flying some older transport jets, but they were exceptionally well maintained and didn't shake or rattle.
its all about spending the money on maintenace of planes, training of pilots
money...its the answer to the question of why did this, or any, plane crash?
I had the pleasure of flying some older transport jets, but they were exceptionally well maintained and didn't shake or rattle.
its all about spending the money on maintenace of planes, training of pilots
money...its the answer to the question of why did this, or any, plane crash?
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Aircraft debris spread around large area suggests a high speed impact.
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and maybe the shaking reported by passengers on previous flight was a flap problem that only showed itself in a lowered flap configuration...and that instead of a gear problem it was a flap problem
There maybe been an asymmetry problem that occurred on previous flight due to a broken part that just got reset or did not show itself on the ground with no loading and inadequate inspection.
Suddenly losing a flap panel during extension somewhere between 0 and 25 would cause some serious control issues without time to recover that close to terra firma.
Only speculation of course.
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Vertigo? Acceleration causing vertigo resulting in crashes just past the departure end of the runway was a known factor in IMC fighter departures/go-arounds.
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Do not know if it is applicable in this case, but the quickest way to plant an aircraft on its nose is to lose control in the roll direction-for whatever cause.
You would have to work hard to stuff the nose down on an accelerating aircraft that does not autotrim.
There seem to be somewhat larger pieces of the tail section visible in one of the night photos I've seen. Most everything else visible is broken up pretty well.
You would have to work hard to stuff the nose down on an accelerating aircraft that does not autotrim.
There seem to be somewhat larger pieces of the tail section visible in one of the night photos I've seen. Most everything else visible is broken up pretty well.
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The phrase "непосадочное положение" (non-landing position if translated literally) simply means they were not lined up correctly (too low too high off to the left/right)
Waiting patient for the first official and preliminary report issued by the competent investigation teams, what i really could foresee now its some dark clouds hovering above the Tatarstan Airlines roofs...having in mind all the previous Russian Accidents&Incidents with other Russian Airline(rs), i cannot see any deviation here by the MAK and Rosaviatsia policy on the crash aftermath...lets hope im wrong, just my 2 cents.
TAK its already starting slowly their new Airbus fleet for some time.
TAK its already starting slowly their new Airbus fleet for some time.
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According to the NY Times, "President Vladimir V. Putin ordered officials to set up a commission to investigate the crash, his spokesman, Dmitri S. Peskov, told local news agencies."
Isn't this a bit unusual? Isn't there already an agency in Russia like the US NTSB whose responsibility it is to investigate the causes of these crashes?
May this be due to the two political passengers on board, who happen to be "Aleksandr V. Antonov, 56, the regional head of Russia’s Federal Security Service, known as the F.S.B., as well as Irek Minnikhanov, 24, a son of the president of the Tatarstan region, Rustam Minnikhanov," according to the Times?
Isn't this a bit unusual? Isn't there already an agency in Russia like the US NTSB whose responsibility it is to investigate the causes of these crashes?
May this be due to the two political passengers on board, who happen to be "Aleksandr V. Antonov, 56, the regional head of Russia’s Federal Security Service, known as the F.S.B., as well as Irek Minnikhanov, 24, a son of the president of the Tatarstan region, Rustam Minnikhanov," according to the Times?