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Old 17th Aug 2013, 07:17
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He even hired in FR aircraft to fill the void
Please don't believe everything you read in the press or FR press releases. The particular strike you allude to, never actually occurred and they most certainly did not hire in FR aircraft. That was MOL jumping on the bandwagon for some cheap publicity.

Now there's a surprise!

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Old 17th Aug 2013, 09:22
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Originally Posted by Epsomdog
Please don't believe everything you read in the press or FR press releases. The particular strike you allude to, never actually occurred and they most certainly did not hire in FR aircraft. That was MOL jumping on the bandwagon for some cheap publicity.
You are quite wrong, I'm afraid. In Jan 2011 Aer Lingus "most certainly" hired in at least 6 from Ryanair for several days. Here's a pic of one at CDG operating the EI529 to DUB.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/attac...3&d=1296226331

They hired in from Monarch as well. I await your apology and one to MOL as well .

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Old 17th Aug 2013, 11:24
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A Swedish newspaper has reported allegations that RYR had removed information from data recorders. It seems an extraordinary allegation for sure. Even if it was "not necessary" to save the recordings, why would you want to remove anything that could even have a minute chance of explaining an issue? (Naive I know, but...)

Ryanair raderade information ur svarta lådan - Nyköping - www.sn.se

Google translate:

NYKÖPING Audio recording from a Ryanair plane that made an emergency landing at Skavsta just over two years ago were erased from the so-called black box. Someone in the company made sure that recording as pilots rescued at landing never reached the responsible investigators.

Ryanair: "Not necessary to save the recording"
It was on April 25, two years ago as Ryanair plane, a Boeing 737 with 179 people on board, got an emergency landing at Skavsta Airport. The plane took off from Skavsta on the way to Paris Beauvais and got several alarms on faults board and forced to return to the airport. Now SN reveal that the audio recording from the cockpit that will be available for accident investigators deleted by Ryanair. The data also confirmed by the Investigation.
- When the captain would land, he pulled out the fuse to the man in general refers to the black-box, Cockpit Voice Recorder, to save the audio recording of what was said in the cockpit, according to a source from within the company to SN. The source, who for fear of reprisals wishes to remain anonymous, says that the inquiry would then be had the saved recording disappeared.
- It was deleted by Ryanair and no one wants to say when or by whom. It is clear that it should not go to, the recording is supposed to be maintained in order to ensure what has happened during the trip, said the source.
In the inquiry conducted by the event, it appears that the data from both the voice recording from the cockpit as the tachograph, Flight Data Recorder, was deleted. Inquiry was instead based primarily on interviews with pilots and Stefan Christensen of The Board, in charge of the investigation and wrote the report, saying it still went well - this time.
- This time it went well but the recordings but another time perhaps it is not so. Then it's unfortunate if data gets lost on the way.
Someone in Ryanair's organization has printed off the fuse for voice recording, after the plane landed. Recording records the last two hours of conversation in the cockpit, then it starts over again and the previously recorded material is erased. Who tampered with the audio recording, and why has neither the Investigation or Ryanair pilots learned.
- If it is so that we as investigative organization requires recording so we have the right to take part of it, but in this case, the company has put it out of use. If there is a decision made at the management of Ryanair or whether it is an individual technician who acted, we never got clarity, only the pilots had done right and saved the information. Often the plane off afterwards and then wants you might not have the standing for several days pending investigation says Stefan Christensen.
But in this case, was the plane standing at Skavsta anyway.
- Yes, that means really think that the recording should have been left behind, says Stefan Christensen.
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Old 17th Aug 2013, 11:29
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My apology to Ayro

You are quite wrong, I'm afraid. In Jan 2011 Aer Lingus "most certainly" hired in at least 6 from Ryanair for several days. Here's a pic of one at CDG operating the EI529 to DUB.
You are quite correct, in this instance. I was thinking of Nov 2012, please accept my apologies.

I stand by my comments regarding the press and FR press releases however.
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Old 17th Aug 2013, 16:58
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Some insure, some self insure some rely on a mix of both.
I'd be interested to know which airlines self insure.
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Old 17th Aug 2013, 18:25
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What was the outcome of the investigation into the allegation that Ryanair had been 'economical with the truth' over the issue of incorrectly stating their MTOWs in an effort to get cheaper nav charges from Eurocontrol?
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Old 17th Aug 2013, 19:09
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Many airlines do hec7or.

I have a feeling Ryanair does or did a portion of their insurance through their Isle of Man subsidiary, Aviation Insurance Limited who would underwrite a portion of their aircraft, passenger and third party insurance. However, there are many other insurance risks they would seek cover from elsewhere and this would be consistant with industry standard.
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Old 17th Aug 2013, 19:55
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Surely with today's technology where a £10.00 mp3 player can store my entire music collection a cvr with 2 hour capacity that requires a fuse to be pulled by the pilot to save information that might incriminate him is archaic at best.

If RR engines can phone home for a health check and monitoring couldn't the cvr store 24 hours of data that any ATC or aviation authority could command the plane to transmit following a mayday or any terrain / pull up warning? Of course it [I]could[I] be done quite easily, if lost cvr are as big an issue as the program made out.
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Old 17th Aug 2013, 20:20
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Originally Posted by "Epsomdog
You are quite correct, in this instance. I was thinking of Nov 2012, please accept my apologies.
Epsomdog, your apology fully accepted. I must admit to having been very surprised when it happened but it seems EI/FR's view was "business is business".
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Old 17th Aug 2013, 20:54
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EU Ops policy or Company policy?

Lexoncd quote:-" If true as stated the aircraft involved in the Valencia diversion were as all fuelled according to the legal requirements then the issue they should have addressed isn't about a specific airline but about the JAR fuel policy applying to all airlines."

Any airline can take MORE fuel than the minimum required by the regulations, (RTOW and MTOW limits apply).

Airlines which operate strictly in accordance with the regulations are operating to the LOWEST minimum standard acceptable by law, whether fuel policy or FTLs, for example.

There is always room for improvement, but it costs.
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Old 18th Aug 2013, 00:11
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T/S forcast today over BCN dest Pmi. We put on an extra 500kg burnt the lot
Arrived PMI. So why don't pilots put on what's required. Obviously commercial pressure in some Airlines. Bring back the old OSAP checks ' the authority doing the policing. Not just checking the company's audit trail.
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Old 18th Aug 2013, 08:14
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Bonuses for catching you out with excess baggage, pushing e-cigarettes and targeting 'rowdy groups': How Ryanair cashes in on your check-in misery - and targets your holiday money | Mail Online

No doubt the DM will be the next to be 'sued' by Motor Mouth Michael.
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Old 18th Aug 2013, 08:20
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No doubt the DM will be the next to be 'sued' by Motor Mouth Michael.
No - you will be because you called him Motor Mouth :-)
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Old 18th Aug 2013, 08:28
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No doubt the DM will be the next to be 'sued' by Motor Mouth Michael.
It is already, in respect of the safety allegations:

Ryanair sues Daily Mail and Daily Mirror publishers over safety claims | Media | The Guardian.

Meanwhile the Belfast Telegraph has published the following apology:

Ryanair - clarification - BelfastTelegraph.co.uk
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Old 18th Aug 2013, 08:52
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Correct me if I'm wrong but I thought Ryanair pilots had Employee Representation Committees regarding amongst other matters conditions of employment and collective bargaining negotiations?

On the safety front. Channel 4 really made such a hatchet job of the facts and the reporter will win no awards for investigative journalism. They made n mention of how employees could air their concerns through the Ryanair Air Safety Committee or the Safety Alert Initial Reporting program or through Crew dock or the Flight Safety Officer or the Operational Flight Data Monitoring system or to the IAA. Strange.
Ryanair Air safety committee,SAIR's, Crewdock, OFDM ? And how would you know about the company's ERC's?

Of course you may have "a friend" who works for Ryanair but you seem remarkably well informed about their internal structures for a member of the public.

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Old 18th Aug 2013, 09:10
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Aldente, these internal structures are out there in the public domain if you look. They are not cockpit secrets! Out of 80 million passengers I'm sure there are quite a few more of us that don't depend on Channel 4 for a balanced education on such matters as Ryanair's safety.
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Old 18th Aug 2013, 09:19
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Well our base has no ERC
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Old 19th Aug 2013, 18:03
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That was posted on 217, lad - do keep up . . .
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Old 20th Aug 2013, 00:11
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ANGRY FROM PURLEY POSTING #151

Try reading your back numbers of "CHIRP", if you are a UK reg'd professional pilot in receipt of this journal?

Try reading the editorial in the latest edition from the outgoing gaffer of that organisation and then think again about asking me or anyone else to contact any TV programme maker.

C4 have the ability to direct their researchers towards this and other sources, for whatever reason they have not done so.

The delay in replying to your intemperate posting is due to the fact that I'm operating close to 100hrs/28 days and only just read your "contribution"!
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