Go Back  PPRuNe Forums > Flight Deck Forums > Rumours & News
Reload this Page >

SAS diversion accompanied by Typhoon

Rumours & News Reporting Points that may affect our jobs or lives as professional pilots. Also, items that may be of interest to professional pilots.

SAS diversion accompanied by Typhoon

Old 18th Apr 2013, 21:07
  #1 (permalink)  
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Berkshire, UK
Age: 75
Posts: 8,276
SAS diversion accompanied by Typhoon

RAF fighter jet scrambled to help Scandinavian Airlines passenger plane emergancy landing at Gasgow Prestwick Airport - AOL Travel UK
HEATHROW DIRECTOR is offline  
Old 18th Apr 2013, 21:24
  #2 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Yeadon, UK
Age: 46
Posts: 34
Ahh heard this on Guard earlier. We wondered if some Typhoon pilot might actually get a couple of hours in this month because of it.
chaders is offline  
Old 18th Apr 2013, 21:45
  #3 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: England
Posts: 1,955
A spokesman for Prestwick Airport told the Daily Record: "The aircraft lost communications with air traffic control and followed procedure by making a safe landing as soon as possible.
Ummmm?!






Padding!
Lord Spandex Masher is offline  
Old 18th Apr 2013, 22:46
  #4 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Florida
Posts: 88
Typhoon aircraft from RAF Leuchars were launched today to investigate a civilian aircraft transiting the North Sea which had lost radio contact with air traffic control, the aircraft re-established comms and landed safely at Prestwick."

If comms re-established, then why not continue to destination?
viking767 is offline  
Old 19th Apr 2013, 01:02
  #5 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Southern Shores of Lusitania
Age: 49
Posts: 633
If comms re-established, then why not continue to destination?
Who would pay the Typhoon fuel bills then..?
JanetFlight is offline  
Old 19th Apr 2013, 02:36
  #6 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: EU
Posts: 607
Prestwick - Birmingham? That's a bit out of the way.
Memories of the Northwest A320 that overflew its destination. Hope not....
golfyankeesierra is offline  
Old 19th Apr 2013, 06:54
  #7 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Oct 1999
Location: Near VTUU or EGPX
Age: 61
Posts: 279
I think all the Typhoon pilots will have been pretty busy since Monday 15th April.

Read the UK NOTAMS regarding military exercises!

Janet, if you are UK tax payer, then the answer is "you" along with millions of others.
The Fat Controller is offline  
Old 19th Apr 2013, 14:39
  #8 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: West London
Posts: 341
There was also a 'live' TU95 QRA earlier this week ... I guess that with 'Joint Warrior' talking place, maybe the Russians were a bit miffed at their lack of invite, and came along on the off-chance ...
Geezers of Nazareth is offline  
Old 19th Apr 2013, 15:23
  #9 (permalink)  
RotorHead
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Canada
Posts: 1,007
Incident: SAS CRJ9 near Newcastle on Apr 18th 2013, loss comm intercepted by fighter aircraft.

By Simon Hradecky, created Friday, Apr 19th 2013 14:18Z, last updated Friday, Apr 19th 2013 14:19Z

A SAS Scandinavian Airlines Canadair CRJ-900, registration OY-KFH performing flight SK-2533 from Copenhagen (Denmark) to Birmingham,EN (UK) with 72 people on board, was enroute over the North Sea about to report on Scottish Center, when radio communication was lost. After the aircraft made an unforeseen turn near Newcastle, two Typhoon fighters were launched to intercept the Canadair. After the fighters reached the CRJ, radio communication was restored and the CRJ-900 diverted to Glasgow Prestwick,SC (UK) for a safe landing at Prestwick escorted by the fighter aircraft. The aircraft was instructed to stop on runway 21 until declared safe.

A listener on frequency reported hearing the SAS crew complaining "we missed a frequency and someone pushed the big red button, what do we do now?"
Incident: SAS CRJ9 near Newcastle on Apr 18th 2013, loss comm intercepted by fighter aircraft
206Fan is offline  
Old 19th Apr 2013, 16:04
  #10 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: London (Babylon-on-Thames)
Age: 38
Posts: 6,168
So they re-contacted ATC and were denied permission to land at their nearby destination airflield and escorted cross country to a designated airfield for hi-jacking and terrorism related handling?
Skipness One Echo is offline  
Old 19th Apr 2013, 17:27
  #11 (permalink)  
Per Ardua ad Astraeus
 
Join Date: Mar 2000
Location: UK
Posts: 18,583
A listener on frequency reported hearing the SAS crew complaining "we missed a frequency and someone pushed the big red button, what do we do now?"
- dare we suggest MONITOR 121.5?
BOAC is offline  
Old 19th Apr 2013, 19:53
  #12 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Uxbridge
Posts: 68
- dare we suggest MONITOR 121.5?
If you love listening to practice PAN's!!
DLT1939 is offline  
Old 19th Apr 2013, 21:34
  #13 (permalink)  
Per Ardua ad Astraeus
 
Join Date: Mar 2000
Location: UK
Posts: 18,583
I think I would prefer that to being escorted to Prestwick by a Tiffy, no?
BOAC is offline  
Old 20th Apr 2013, 06:47
  #14 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: at work
Posts: 13
I have missed calls from ATC due to chatter on guard.
Flathadder is offline  
Old 20th Apr 2013, 07:48
  #15 (permalink)  
Per Ardua ad Astraeus
 
Join Date: Mar 2000
Location: UK
Posts: 18,583
There are more issues here than the Pavlov's dog reactions in previous posts.

Crews should be 'on the ball' and aware that 'comms' are not normal eg other a/c are getting vectors to places outside your area/ground TX is getting weak/you haven't been called when you expected a freq change - all these require an awareness which I think fades in the glass cockpit environment. Then, any of these 'triggers' calls for a monitor of 121.5. - not to listen ALL the time regardless, as we know that is painful, but 121.5 is where you will be called if you are 'lost'. They also call for the old chart to be looked at for a suitable frequency - "WHAT! - I never need to do that - I've got LNAV". It's that old 'airmanship' thing again. Sorry.

I suspect 121.5 would have been busy for many minutes calling SAS. At least they probably selected it when the Tiffy arrived alongside.
BOAC is offline  
Old 20th Apr 2013, 09:37
  #16 (permalink)  
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Berkshire, UK
Age: 75
Posts: 8,276
... and if you can't make contact on the new frequency, go back to the previous one.
HEATHROW DIRECTOR is offline  
Old 20th Apr 2013, 09:48
  #17 (permalink)  
Per Ardua ad Astraeus
 
Join Date: Mar 2000
Location: UK
Posts: 18,583
What is more common, HD, is a 'missed' handover so there is no 'previous' to return to. Hence the need for a chart.
BOAC is offline  
Old 20th Apr 2013, 09:52
  #18 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Worldwide
Posts: 579
Loss of comm has happened ever since the first radio was installed in an aircraft. And as the used-to-be's are so fund of letting us know at every opportunity, back then pilots where so much better than the current crop. Or perhaps it was a couple of 60 year old were one had fallen asleep and the other had a flat battery in the hearing aid.

Last edited by KBPsen; 20th Apr 2013 at 09:53.
KBPsen is offline  
Old 20th Apr 2013, 14:47
  #19 (permalink)  
Per Ardua ad Astraeus
 
Join Date: Mar 2000
Location: UK
Posts: 18,583
KBP - if by chance you are in touch with any of the younger pilots (<60), could you ask them how they propose to handle the situation?
BOAC is offline  
Old 20th Apr 2013, 16:12
  #20 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Mar 2000
Location: Sunrise Senior Living
Posts: 1,309
It occurs to me that well before the days of "follow the green line", one had to make position reports, then as radar coverage improved, they were omitted, but one still knew where the FIR/UIR boundaries were.

These days, I dread to think how many of us are actually aware of where the boundaries (ie the name of the waypoints) are and therefore when to expect a change of frequency/control.

CFPs/OFPs don't help much either - depends on the provider. Perhaps this is a contributory factor to this sort of incident.

mcdhu
mcdhu is offline  

Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service - Do Not Sell My Personal Information

Copyright 2018 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.