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ATR72 Incident at FCO

Old 2nd Feb 2013, 19:50
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ATR72 Incident at FCO

According to local media an ATR 72 ended up off the runway at Rome Fiumicino, operated by Romanian carrier codesharing with AZ, two injured ...very early stage so news unverified for now and likely to be inaccurate! Anybody knows more ?
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Carpatair

Yes, Romanian Carpatair, quite predictable then as they have been in thè news very frequently in thè last few months due to various glitches. Fingers crossed for those on board, 6 injured, 2 seriously .
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La Stampa - Aereo fuori pista a Fiumicino, sei feriti

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An ATR 72 aircraft of the Romanian company Carpatair, who works for Alitalia from Pisa and landing at Fiumicino, went off the track. On board fifty people, at least six of them were wounded (according to the first fragmentary information, five passengers and a flight attendant), two more serious relief from the 118 and transported to the hospital St. Camillus. They would not be life threatening. This would be a passenger and a flight attendant. Two others were taken to code yellow, Eugene and Aurelia Hospital. The others were bruised in a lighter way, will be medicated in a separate medical facility within the airport, which has set up a control room with 118 of Rome.



It could be the strong wind that was blowing at the time the area of the airport, to cause the accident, letting the aircraft from the corridor of asphalt assigned to the control tower. We are carrying out investigations on the dynamics of the episode took place this evening at Fiumicino airport, where a plane landed off the track. The agents of Polaria, led by Antonio Del Greek, try to establish exactly when the next few hours - is the most likely hypothesis - the strong wind and weather conditions may have affected the proper landing or if it was an error of pilot operation. In addition to emergency vehicles, on-site is already bringing an investigator of the National Agency for the safety of the flight commenced an investigation in the act.
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Premliminar report from ASN, with weather conditions at the time of the event.

ASN Aircraft accident ATR 72-212A registration unknown Roma-Fiumicino Airport (FCO)
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On board fifty people, at least six of them were wounded (according to the first fragmentary information, five passengers and a flight attendant), two more serious relief from the 118 and transported to the hospital St. Camillus. They would not be life threatening.
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Latest Online News | Agenzia Giornalistica Italia | AGI

describing the condition of two of the pax as "critical".
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Incidente aereo Fiumicino, l'aereo fuori pista: foto - YouReporter.it
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Foto L'Atr72 piegato dopo l'incidente - 1 di 6 - Roma - Repubblica.it
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More details from "La Repubblica"

Carpatair aircraft off the runway in Fiumicino

An ATR 72 aircraft (of the Romanian company Carpatair) departed the runway while landing at Leonardo da Vinci airport at 20:15 [local]. There were 50 people aboard the flight, including four crew members. Sixteen were injured, two seriously, but none of the injuries are life threatening. Alitalia's partner airline Carpatair, which has been at the centre of many incidents in the past, has aroused much controversy. Alitalia itself intimated that the strong wind blowing at the airport was the cause of the accident, but in the meantime has suspended flights to Pisa and Bologna operated by the Romanian carrier.

Among the injured, the most serious case is that of a female flight attendant, a foreign national, who was probably standing at the time of the accident and sustained injuries to her spinal column. The woman was taken by ambulance to Gemelli Hospital. Another passenger was taken under code red to San Camillo hospital. The other injured people were taken to San Camillo (three code-green patients), Sant'Eugenio (a code yellow and two code greens), Aurelia Hospital (a code yellow), San Filippo Nero (three code greens), Grassi (two code yellows), and the Tor Vergata Polyclinic (two code greens), with more or less severe bruises. Other passengers on the plane were treated on the spot. Fifteen other passengers received medical checks at the scene: these include several Italians and a Brazilian, though the majority are Romanian citizens.

The aircraft is currently lying on the grass, at the top of no. 3 runway [sic], leaning slightly to one side and with an undercarriage leg snapped off. The machine is surrounded by four fire engines, as well as airport security and police vehicles. A passenger offered a dramatic account: "So very afraid. Some of us thought they were going to die and everyone screamed. During the landing the aeroplane twice hit the ground hard: they tell me that the second time the undercarriage collapsed and the aircraft finished up off the runway."

"The Carpatair aircraft went off the runway due to the strong wind," Alitalia said in a statement reconstructing the event. The same interpretation was offered by the Director of the Fiumicino Airport ENAC [Italian civil aviation agency], who spoke of the wind as a possible cause: "Just this moment it's impossible to say what happened. There could be a thousand reasons, not least the weather. The wind might indeed have contributed to the event," said Vitaliano Turra, in an interview with SkyTg24 [Italian cable news channel]. The Civitavecchia prosecutor's office has opened an investigation. An investigator of the National Agency for Aviation Safety is also at the scene and has begun an inquiry. The agents of Polaria, led by Antonio Del Greco, are trying to piece together the precise characteristics of the incident, to see if pilot error was the cause. The runway at the international airport was temporarily closed to air traffic, with some delays to flights.

PRECEDENTS The Romanian Carpatair company that operates some routes for Alitalia under sub-contract is no stranger to incidents affecting their aircraft. In May 2012 at Florence Airport, there was a fire indication on board and four passengers suffered contusions. In December, a fuel leak on a flight from Pisa to Rome made a return to base necessary. On 4 January, cabin depressurisation on an Ancona-Rome service sparked panic on board. The most recent incident took place on Monday, January 7: flight AZ1666, departing at 0700 from Pisa to Rome-Fiumicino, had just taken off when as a result of a mechanical failure on board it had to return to its point of origin.

"We have been so deeply struck by the number of mechanical failures and problems experienced by this company that I personally made a complaint to ENAC and the National Agency for Aviation Safety. Since then I haven't heard anything," said the national secretary of UIL Trasporti [the Italian transport workers' union], Marco Veneziani, in reference to the runway excursion. "There are serious question-marks over the company and we hope," Veneziani went on, "that the service will be suspended immediately. Before generating further alarm, though, we should await the outcome of the investigation."

And Antonio Divietri, the president of Avia (Italian Flight Attendants' Association), added: "The accident flight this evening at Fiumicino was an ATR 72 operated by the Romanian company Carpatair under Alitalia livery. Luckily, the first accounts indicate no serious injuries but we can't forget that along with Anpac and Anpav, we've been reporting for a long time now the growing number of operational anomalies on Carpatair-operated Alitalia flights. We hope that the investigations are thorough and bring into the full light of day any responsibility or omission that may have been involved on the part of all parties concerned."


Aereo Carpatair fuori pista a Fiumicino 16 feriti, due gravi. Sospesi voli della compagnia - Roma - Repubblica.it
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...and more from a quick scan of Italian TV

I've just watched an interview in which Signor Turrà, the Italian CAA bloke at FCO, contradicted Alitalia by saying: "The wind wasn't strong enough to cause an aircraft to depart the runway."

A passenger on board complained bitterly that he was left lying on the ground for more than half an hour beside the wreck before the emergency services showed up.

They're now saying that of the two serious injuries, the broken femur was sustained by a passenger, not the FO as previously reported.

A journalist (yes, I know...) reported that runway 07/25 is closed for maintenance at present, hence its non-use by the accident aircraft.
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Time to remove Moritz Suter from all airline responsibilities. Remember Crossair and the two accidents with casualties? This guy has three priorities:
a) polishing his ego
b) spend money ( always from 3rd party investors )
c) airline safety

Luckily his last airline adventure "Hello" went belly up ( prio 2 applies ) before having had a tragic accident

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Considering that there appear to be two seriously injured passengers wouldn't it be more accurate to speak of an accident instead of incident?

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I am really sorry for Carpatair, but it seems operating ATR's in Italy wasn't a good decision for them... They had a lot a problems in a short period of time, and now this.. They will have to work very hard to restore their image.
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A journalist (yes, I know...) reported that runway 07/25 is closed for maintenance at present
true, rwy 25 closed for landings due to work in progress.
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...someone has removed the Alitalia brand from the plane...
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Considering that there appear to be two seriously injured passengers wouldn't it be more accurate to speak of an accident instead of incident?
If you take a look at the aircraft, I think it's pretty obvious that by ICAO standards it's an accident.
 
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Post Fiumicino (LIRF) & Ciampino (LIRA) METARS

Only just briefly seen and read this thread. In case it helps, and before they become difficult to obtain, here are the half-hourly weather observations (METARS) for the period around the accident. The ASN report (link courtesy of Glonass, post #5, above) is unable to pinpoint the actual landing time, but it was some time between 2015 LT and 2115 LT (1915Z - 2015Z).

LIRF 022220Z 23024KT 9999 BKN035 11/03 Q0991 NOSIG
LIRF 022150Z 24025KT 9999 BKN040 11/03 Q0992 NOSIG
LIRF 022120Z 24024KT 9999 BKN040 11/03 Q0992 NOSIG
LIRF 022050Z 25025KT 9999 FEW022 BKN040 11/03 Q0992 NOSIG

LIRF 022020Z 25022G32KT 9999 SCT022 BKN040 11/03 Q0992 NOSIG
LIRF 021950Z 25023KT 9999 SCT023 SCT040 11/03 Q0992 NOSIG
LIRF 021920Z 25028G41KT 9999 SCT023 SCT040 11/04 Q0992 WS RWY 16L NOSIG

LIRF 021850Z 24024KT 9999 FEW023 SCT040 11/04 Q0992 WS RWY 16L NOSIG
LIRF 021820Z 24030KT 9999 FEW023 SCT040 11/04 Q0991 WS RWY 16L NOSIG
LIRF 021750Z 24027KT 9999 SCT023 SCT040 11/05 Q0991 NOSIG
LIRF 021720Z 24025KT 9999 SCT023 SCT040 11/06 Q0991 NOSIG
LIRF 021650Z 25023KT 9999 SCT023 SCT040 11/06 Q0991 BECMG 24018G30KT

For the uninitiated, here is a rough, plain-language translation of the 1920Z observation:
LIRF (FCO) February 2nd @ 19:20 UTC.
Wind from 250 deg (west-south-west) at 28 kts, gusting 41 kts;
Visibility 10 km or more;
(No precipitation);
Cloud ceilings (1) scattered at 2300 ft, (2) scattered at 4000 ft;
Temperature +11C, Dew-point +4C;
QNH (atmospheric pressure corrected to sea-level) 992 hPa/mb;
Wind-shear reported on approach Rwy 16L;
Trend Forecast for next 2 hours - no significant change.

I haven't flown ATRs, but can offer a few thoughts about the decision-making processes involved in flight operations when the destination weather is marginal. The main challenge was the fact that Rwy 25, the into-wind runway, was closed for maintenance. A strong-crosswind landing was unavoidable at FCO.

We do not have the TAF (aerodrome forecast) that was in force at the flight-planning stage, and which alternate airfield(s) were nominated. In flight, the captain would have decided whether or not to continue to FCO (or divert) on the basis of the above METARS, including the 1820Z and (probably) 1850Z observations, and (later) ATIS reports from ATC at FCO. On final approach, the Tower would have transmitted the wind speeds, gusts, and any wind-shear warnings.

The 1850Z METAR shows a wind from 240 (SW) at a mean speed of 24 kts, with no gust reported, but a report of wind-shear. The preceding 1820Z report gave a mean speed of 30 kts, again with no gust report, but including wind-shear for the first time. However, gusts of less than 10 kts above the mean speed are never reported on METARS, and the captain would know that. Presumably, other a/c were in the process of landing as the ATR was descending, which adds to the pressure not to divert without trying an approach to assess the conditions. An approach and go-around would be a perfectly safe manoeuvre in those conditions.

The 1920Z METAR shows the wind from 250 degrees (WSW) at 28 kts, with a recent gust to 41 kts. That represented an increase from the previous reports. 250 degrees is roughly straight across Rwy 16L, and the gust to 41 kts might have been accompanied by a shift of direction: normally a veer towards the west. The latter would represent a tailwind shear, which causes a loss of airspeed. The conditions then were certainly challenging, even to a highly experienced pilot on any aeroplane type. The next two METARS suggest that the wind moderated slightly, although there is a gust to 32 kts on the 2020Z METAR.

We don't yet know the landing time, or if it was off the first approach.

Here are the relevant observations for the nearby Roma Ciampino, which - if open - is normally the preferred alternate for Fiumicino. It has a single runway, aligned 15/33. If the ATR had diverted there at an early stage, it might have arrived at about 1945Z. For whatever reason, the wind is much lighter there, apparently never exceeding a 20-knot crosswind component.

LIRA 022115Z 22010G24KT 9999 SCT017 SCT030 10/02 Q0992
LIRA 022045Z 23012KT 9999 SCT017 SCT030 10/04 Q0992
LIRA 022015Z 23011KT 200V260 9999 SCT017 SCT030 10/04 Q0992
LIRA 021945Z 25008G20KT 210V290 9999 SCT017 SCT030 10/03 Q0992
LIRA 021915Z 25009G22KT 210V300 9999 SCT017 SCT030 10/04 Q0991
LIRA 021845Z 24015G26KT 9999 SCT017 SCT030 10/04 Q0991
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Strange decision to paint over all the windows as well.
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Aircraft / looks like write off, so windows white is the fastest way to paint

Carpatair has been send home.... Understand that they are cheap coming from Romania, do they have P2F F/O's?

But why take the gamble with these "non CRM / skygod" airlines.

Same with Monarch and others, why hire these few hundred euro cheaper banana airlines...

If you want to know what is expensive... try an accident....
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