Air China 767 crashes in South Korea (April 2002)
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The final accident report in English:
http://www.moct.go.kr/EngHome/News/d...h2005.4.15.pdf
Appendix:
http://www.moct.go.kr/EngHome/News/d...4_Appendix.zip
http://www.moct.go.kr/EngHome/News/d...h2005.4.15.pdf
Appendix:
http://www.moct.go.kr/EngHome/News/d...4_Appendix.zip
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And don't tell me the choice of runway was anything to do with noise abatement!
Seriously though - "One pilot operation"? Does this actually happen on commercial flights? Am I missing something when I assume this means one body only on the flight deck? (I hope so!))
I agreed with those who were less than happy (admittedly sometimes for personal reasons, but there are also safety reasons) at getting rid of the FE. I think that, if I learned that I was on an aircraft with only one guy on the flight deck, I'd seriously consider getting off again
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Centaurus,
I have the same problem, blank report. I tried downloading it directly from the site but I get the same result.
Can anyone post a link to a version that works? It might be an issue with trying to view the document in a later or earlier version of adobe.
I have the same problem, blank report. I tried downloading it directly from the site but I get the same result.
Can anyone post a link to a version that works? It might be an issue with trying to view the document in a later or earlier version of adobe.
Centaurus,
You have to allow Acrobat to install the Korean font upgrade -- which seems to include Latin characters. You may need to update your Acrobat to 7.01.
The report is a good lesson on how easy it is to get killed in a circle to land procedure, especially one designed to TERPS criteria.
Perhaps the regs should require operators to provide airport specific circle to land simulator training with the kind of winds aloft that suckered this crew.
You have to allow Acrobat to install the Korean font upgrade -- which seems to include Latin characters. You may need to update your Acrobat to 7.01.
The report is a good lesson on how easy it is to get killed in a circle to land procedure, especially one designed to TERPS criteria.
Perhaps the regs should require operators to provide airport specific circle to land simulator training with the kind of winds aloft that suckered this crew.
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Groundbase/Centaurus,
and all having troubles.. you might want to download the Korean language update for Acrobat Reader.
Visit this page
http://www.adobe.com/products/acroba...nfontpack.html
And make the necessary choices and download it...
Should work then...
Cheers
Salz
PS. Funny enough, the report is in English, so I have no clue why this was happening, but after I installed the Korean language package, it worked fine.
and all having troubles.. you might want to download the Korean language update for Acrobat Reader.
Visit this page
http://www.adobe.com/products/acroba...nfontpack.html
And make the necessary choices and download it...
Should work then...
Cheers
Salz
PS. Funny enough, the report is in English, so I have no clue why this was happening, but after I installed the Korean language package, it worked fine.
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One-pilot Operation
So, 3-crew on a 767? I haven't been in the Office of a 76, but I would have thought there was only 2 pilot's seats and a jump seat - what is the designation of the 3rd person there? P3? Like the Tridents? (but without the FE's instrumentation)
and I'm unlikely to ever get a "jump seat" in a 767 now, since the regs (probably rightly) introduced since "9-11". Last time I was "up front" was in a 'Bus BAH-LHR when the Capt allowed me to see what a "glass cockpit" looked like, back a few years, on my way to a GatBash - oh for the old days of flying
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RatherBeFlying: You have to allow Acrobat to install the Korean font upgrade -- which seems to include Latin characters. You may need to update your Acrobat to 7.01.
It looks like one of the appendices (number 6) also needs Chinese Simplified. My Reader was calling for that but I haven't done it yet.
Hope this helps for those who are having problems.
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It has been a week of heavy reading. Four accident reports. For those who could not download this report, many previous posters had problems, the final report says that South Korea uses American TERPS instead of PANS-OPS. The captain was aware of this. For circling procedures there are differences. The protected airspace is less under TERPS. Also the maximum airspeed during circling is less under TERPS.
The Captain chose Category C circling minimums which are 400 feet lower than category D. At Pusan there are mountains just outside the protected circling airspace to the north. The aircraft was flown significantly longer on downwind than the company standard of 20 seconds once abeam the landing threshhold and at a speed more than 15 knots above maximum cat C circling speeds. 20 seconds was called out but the aircraft continued downwind and further progress north was not ended until 40 seconds past the trhreshhold while on base leg. Consideration of wind effects on ground track do not appear to have been taken.
However this was a daytime visual manouver, but the aircraft continued the circling manouver after flying into cloud and flew into a mountain outside of not only the cat C protected area but the cat D protected area as well.
The Chinese addendum to the report indicates that while they seem realize that their crew has to be held responsible, there are statements in the probable cause that can be interpreted that this was somehow the fault of the Koreans because aside from not noticing a MSAW(minimum safe altitude warning) on the radar(due to the controller visually tracking, or attempting to visually track the aircraft) that "unintelligible frequency transfer instruction and frequent communication with the flight crew had an impact on the flight crew's operation of base turn and final approach". (Aircraft communications were handled by a third pilot on the flight deck).
The Captain chose Category C circling minimums which are 400 feet lower than category D. At Pusan there are mountains just outside the protected circling airspace to the north. The aircraft was flown significantly longer on downwind than the company standard of 20 seconds once abeam the landing threshhold and at a speed more than 15 knots above maximum cat C circling speeds. 20 seconds was called out but the aircraft continued downwind and further progress north was not ended until 40 seconds past the trhreshhold while on base leg. Consideration of wind effects on ground track do not appear to have been taken.
However this was a daytime visual manouver, but the aircraft continued the circling manouver after flying into cloud and flew into a mountain outside of not only the cat C protected area but the cat D protected area as well.
The Chinese addendum to the report indicates that while they seem realize that their crew has to be held responsible, there are statements in the probable cause that can be interpreted that this was somehow the fault of the Koreans because aside from not noticing a MSAW(minimum safe altitude warning) on the radar(due to the controller visually tracking, or attempting to visually track the aircraft) that "unintelligible frequency transfer instruction and frequent communication with the flight crew had an impact on the flight crew's operation of base turn and final approach". (Aircraft communications were handled by a third pilot on the flight deck).
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Talking them DOWN
"unintelligible frequency transfer instruction and frequent communication with the flight crew had an impact on the flight crew's operation of base turn and final approach".
Yes this accident did prove that you (as an ATCO) can talk a crew into having an accident. However strangely enough, after the gibbering ATCO had achieved that, they waited another 20 odd minutes before even thinking about pressing the big red button.
That gets a mention in the report too.
Yes this accident did prove that you (as an ATCO) can talk a crew into having an accident. However strangely enough, after the gibbering ATCO had achieved that, they waited another 20 odd minutes before even thinking about pressing the big red button.
That gets a mention in the report too.
