Ryanair claim upheld
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Regardless of what Ryanair may or may not have been guilty of, they seem to be doing a pretty good job of seizing the moral high ground and making the Spanish authorities look very shifty indeed.
They think making statements to the press makes it a fact even when its a lie.
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Inquiry into Ryanair incident in Spain - The Irish Times - Tue, Sep 18, 2012
Circumstances surrounding an incident involving a Ryanair plane at Madrid airport last weekend are to be jointly investigated by the Irish Aviation Authority and its Spanish counterpart, it was announced this afternoon.
The decision to hold a joint investigation came as a delegation from the Spanish ministry of development was briefed in Dublin on Irish oversight of the safety of Ryanair’s operations in Spain.
The visit of Spanish officials, led by the Spanish secretary general for transport, is the latest move in an ongoing row between Ryanair and the Spanish authorities over alleged safety issues.
On Sunday, a Ryanair plane which was covering a route between Paris Beauvais and Tenerife, landed at Madrid’s Barajas airport due to what the company described as a “small technical problem”. Ryanair apologised to the 159 passengers, who completed their journey after a two hour delay.
It has also emerged the Spanish ministry of development has sent a letter to the European Commissioner for Transport Siim Kallas, detailing its concerns with the airline’s aviation safety in relation to a number of previous incidents.
Ryanair in turn has accused the Spanish government of orchestrating a publicity campaign against it. The company has been increasing its presence in Spain in recent years and is now the largest carrier of passengers in the country.
Ryanair’s Michael O’Leary recently wrote to the Spanish development minister Ana Pastor calling on her to “take action against the leaking of false information” about the airline. He also invited her to send a delegation of officials to visit Ryanair facilities.
Today’s delegation was invited by the Department of Transport to discuss oversight of the airline’s operations in Spain. The Irish authorities also invited their Spanish counterparts to visit the Irish Aviation Authority and to be briefed in detail on safety oversight issues with particular regard to Ryanair.
After the visit, Minister for Transport Leo Varadkar backed Ryanair’s safety record and pointed to the Irish Aviation Authority’s “rigorous” oversight of, and “satisfaction” with Ryanair’s safety standards.
A statement issued on Mr Varadkar’s behalf said Ryanair’s safety standards were “on a par with the safest airlines in Europe”.
The statement went on to say there was “good cooperation between the Irish Aviation Authority and its Spanish counterpart AESA, and it was agreed that the two organisations will develop a memorandum of understanding on increased cooperation. The directors general of civil aviation in the two jurisdictions will also meet regularly”. In response to the arrival of the Spanish delegation today, Ryanair said it welcomed the transport authority’s statement “which affirms that Ryanair’s safety standards are on par with the safest airlines in Europe.”
It said the airline had also invited the Spanish Ministry to send a team of inspectors to Dublin to correct any “misplaced concerns about Ryanair’s compliance with Europe’s highest operating and maintenance standards by providing them with unfettered access to Ryanair operating, maintenance and flight training facilities and unlimited access to Ryanair’s safety, flight management, engineering and maintenance personnel.”
The decision to hold a joint investigation came as a delegation from the Spanish ministry of development was briefed in Dublin on Irish oversight of the safety of Ryanair’s operations in Spain.
The visit of Spanish officials, led by the Spanish secretary general for transport, is the latest move in an ongoing row between Ryanair and the Spanish authorities over alleged safety issues.
On Sunday, a Ryanair plane which was covering a route between Paris Beauvais and Tenerife, landed at Madrid’s Barajas airport due to what the company described as a “small technical problem”. Ryanair apologised to the 159 passengers, who completed their journey after a two hour delay.
It has also emerged the Spanish ministry of development has sent a letter to the European Commissioner for Transport Siim Kallas, detailing its concerns with the airline’s aviation safety in relation to a number of previous incidents.
Ryanair in turn has accused the Spanish government of orchestrating a publicity campaign against it. The company has been increasing its presence in Spain in recent years and is now the largest carrier of passengers in the country.
Ryanair’s Michael O’Leary recently wrote to the Spanish development minister Ana Pastor calling on her to “take action against the leaking of false information” about the airline. He also invited her to send a delegation of officials to visit Ryanair facilities.
Today’s delegation was invited by the Department of Transport to discuss oversight of the airline’s operations in Spain. The Irish authorities also invited their Spanish counterparts to visit the Irish Aviation Authority and to be briefed in detail on safety oversight issues with particular regard to Ryanair.
After the visit, Minister for Transport Leo Varadkar backed Ryanair’s safety record and pointed to the Irish Aviation Authority’s “rigorous” oversight of, and “satisfaction” with Ryanair’s safety standards.
A statement issued on Mr Varadkar’s behalf said Ryanair’s safety standards were “on a par with the safest airlines in Europe”.
The statement went on to say there was “good cooperation between the Irish Aviation Authority and its Spanish counterpart AESA, and it was agreed that the two organisations will develop a memorandum of understanding on increased cooperation. The directors general of civil aviation in the two jurisdictions will also meet regularly”. In response to the arrival of the Spanish delegation today, Ryanair said it welcomed the transport authority’s statement “which affirms that Ryanair’s safety standards are on par with the safest airlines in Europe.”
It said the airline had also invited the Spanish Ministry to send a team of inspectors to Dublin to correct any “misplaced concerns about Ryanair’s compliance with Europe’s highest operating and maintenance standards by providing them with unfettered access to Ryanair operating, maintenance and flight training facilities and unlimited access to Ryanair’s safety, flight management, engineering and maintenance personnel.”
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From: Dublin, Ireland
Just noticed this statement, issued today
Irish Aviation Authority - Statement by the Irish Department of Transport, Tourism and Sport and the Spanish Ministry of Development
Irish Aviation Authority - Statement by the Irish Department of Transport, Tourism and Sport and the Spanish Ministry of Development
Last edited by Liffy 1M; 18th September 2012 at 18:59.
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From: Dublin
ASFKAP, to the Spanish that means 'two' not what you think.
I can't see anything wrong with SAFA inspections and if there is something wrong it will be on the EASA database. An airline that has a flight departure almose every minute would have shown a trail by now.
I can't see anything wrong with SAFA inspections and if there is something wrong it will be on the EASA database. An airline that has a flight departure almose every minute would have shown a trail by now.
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From: Germany
[QUOTE][ Quote:
Everybody knows what O´Leary´s letters mean.
Everything against RYR is FALSE FALSE FALSE.
Take care with the germans.
It seems that they don´t like some kind of behaviour
Spanish minister needs to look at her own departments behaviour before anybody will take her seriously, not to mention ATC.
As for the Germans listening to what the Spanish say....................right €40 Billion suggests otherwise as let face it Spain is being propped up by German taxpayers. /QUOTE]
the "take care with germans" vs massive help from german taxpayers to spain makes me laugh.
on the other hand- we all are europe, and spain is a beatiful country and first choice for holidays... ryanair is sure not the end of the world, flying neither is- the hot spanish beach with a cold beer is much more pleasant !
cheers !
Everybody knows what O´Leary´s letters mean.
Everything against RYR is FALSE FALSE FALSE.
Take care with the germans.
It seems that they don´t like some kind of behaviour
Spanish minister needs to look at her own departments behaviour before anybody will take her seriously, not to mention ATC.
As for the Germans listening to what the Spanish say....................right €40 Billion suggests otherwise as let face it Spain is being propped up by German taxpayers. /QUOTE]
the "take care with germans" vs massive help from german taxpayers to spain makes me laugh.
on the other hand- we all are europe, and spain is a beatiful country and first choice for holidays... ryanair is sure not the end of the world, flying neither is- the hot spanish beach with a cold beer is much more pleasant !
cheers !
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From: Dublin
Contrary to how it appears in some media reports, those guys from Spain didn't come over to Ireland especially because of Ryanair safety concerns there are here for the three day European Regions Airline Association convention in Dublin. In passing may I say amongst other topics, the convention also deals with ensuring fair competition.
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Let´s face it:
Spain: A Third World Nation
Ryanair: A five Star Airline
O´ Leary: The Perfect Manager
Ryanair´s P2F Pilots: The Best Professionals in the European Sky put in risk by the evil Spanish ATC.
It seems that when you pay peanuts you not only get monkeys, you get loyal monkeys.
Cheers!
Spain: A Third World Nation
Ryanair: A five Star Airline
O´ Leary: The Perfect Manager
Ryanair´s P2F Pilots: The Best Professionals in the European Sky put in risk by the evil Spanish ATC.
It seems that when you pay peanuts you not only get monkeys, you get loyal monkeys.
Cheers!
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From: Uh... Where was I?
All this looks like a campaign against RYR, but I don't know who has launched it nor why.
Spanish administration sucks, it is similar to third world indeed. I am spanish and I can say it, ok?
Anything remotely related to a politician is to be quarantined immediately. Here they are always wrong (politicians and the media). They don't know a !!!!! about anything. Apt people can't thrive in Spain. You have to be an asshole to reach the high ranks in politics or in the media or in any sector, actually. I can say this because I am spanish, ok?
At least, It is conforting to think that O'leary must be pissed by all this. I bet he does not consider this publicity as good... But who knows, he is a man full of resources and he might come up with something. In fact it is easy if you are dealing with people of the level of the spanish politicians and media.
Probably after a few months RYR will be reinforced rather than damaged. Unless the origin of the campaign comes from abroad, from, say, the UK. from, say, IAG. RYR is in the way of vueling and Ibx, the airlines that Walsh is using for his megascam with Iberia.
Spanish administration sucks, it is similar to third world indeed. I am spanish and I can say it, ok?
Anything remotely related to a politician is to be quarantined immediately. Here they are always wrong (politicians and the media). They don't know a !!!!! about anything. Apt people can't thrive in Spain. You have to be an asshole to reach the high ranks in politics or in the media or in any sector, actually. I can say this because I am spanish, ok?
At least, It is conforting to think that O'leary must be pissed by all this. I bet he does not consider this publicity as good... But who knows, he is a man full of resources and he might come up with something. In fact it is easy if you are dealing with people of the level of the spanish politicians and media.
Probably after a few months RYR will be reinforced rather than damaged. Unless the origin of the campaign comes from abroad, from, say, the UK. from, say, IAG. RYR is in the way of vueling and Ibx, the airlines that Walsh is using for his megascam with Iberia.
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From: Rennes
Ryanair to be subject of joint IAA-AESA investigation
...according to the Irish Times and several other news outlets:-
Investigation into Ryanair Madrid incident - The Irish Times - Wed, Sep 19, 2012
CIRCUMSTANCES surrounding an incident involving a Ryanair plane at Madrid airport on Sunday are to be jointly investigated by the Irish Aviation Authority and its Spanish counterpart.
The decision to hold a joint investigation came as a delegation from the Spanish ministry of development was briefed in Dublin yesterday on Irish oversight of the safety of Ryanair’s operations in Spain.
The decision to hold a joint investigation came as a delegation from the Spanish ministry of development was briefed in Dublin yesterday on Irish oversight of the safety of Ryanair’s operations in Spain.
Investigation into Ryanair Madrid incident - The Irish Times - Wed, Sep 19, 2012
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From: Exit stage right.
.according to the Irish Times and several other news outlets:-
Dunno but don't see head of CAA / IAA or anywhere else doing similar.
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Alatair,
I don't think anyone is calling Spain a third world nation, but their ATC is the worst in Europe by some considerable margin and there are a few rogue airlines like Vueling and Nostrum which operate in a very poor manner but are being excluded from the AENA and state diatribes.
Curiously, Ryanair is nearly alone in NOT using P2F cadets in the low-cost sector, while Vueling does and so do easyJet. It surprises me, too, but it's the truth.
As much as RYR management and the IAA need a repeated kicking in the nuts, this whole issue in Spain is entirely political and hypocritical.
Let´s face it:
Spain: A Third World Nation
Ryanair: A five Star Airline
O´ Leary: The Perfect Manager
Ryanair´s P2F Pilots: The Best Professionals in the European Sky put in risk by the evil Spanish ATC.
It seems that when you pay peanuts you not only get monkeys, you get loyal monkeys.
Spain: A Third World Nation
Ryanair: A five Star Airline
O´ Leary: The Perfect Manager
Ryanair´s P2F Pilots: The Best Professionals in the European Sky put in risk by the evil Spanish ATC.
It seems that when you pay peanuts you not only get monkeys, you get loyal monkeys.
Curiously, Ryanair is nearly alone in NOT using P2F cadets in the low-cost sector, while Vueling does and so do easyJet. It surprises me, too, but it's the truth.
As much as RYR management and the IAA need a repeated kicking in the nuts, this whole issue in Spain is entirely political and hypocritical.
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Curiously, Ryanair is nearly alone in NOT using P2F cadets in the low-cost sector, while Vueling does and so do easyJet. It surprises me, too, but it's the truth.
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@ I'm off :
As much as you would like to see it fit into your imaginary world: Ryanair is not a pay to fly outfit. As you quite correctly put it yourself ...they (cadets) “then GET PAID by the block hour” … speaks for itself no ?
As much as you would like to see it fit into your imaginary world: Ryanair is not a pay to fly outfit. As you quite correctly put it yourself ...they (cadets) “then GET PAID by the block hour” … speaks for itself no ?
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