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Old 8th Jun 2012, 18:29
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BBC News - Film tribute to Nigerian plane crash victims released
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Oh no, not again.
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Contaminated fuel probes leading to erroneous fuel quantity readings?

Google 'MD-80 fuel probe'
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the right way to fuel an airliner is to put the amount of fuel you need for the flight plus alternate plus reserves plus contingency aboard the plane.

the fueler should provide proof that the exact amount has been loaded (in gallons) (or whtever)

the pilots should calculate the pounds of fuel uploaded and confirm the gauges show that amount.

and just before takeoff you check it again and you check the fuel circuits with the push the test button.

you takeoff with the wing tanks to engine to ensure that they are working and that if ONE tank was contaminated, the other might not be and at least one engine would be working.

you switch to the center tank(s) and use them up, and then back to the wings for landing


during enroute you monitor the fuel against the fuel flow /fuel used numbers

top of descent you make sure you have enough fuel and then you concentrate on landing

you also make sure you haven't opened and forgotten the crossfeed valve.


and if you don't do it like that...you might have a problem (bad fuel gauge etc)
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WOW...Really?
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Old 10th Jun 2012, 03:14
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A few years ago I was flying with AAI 747 wet lease for Nigerian Air out of Lagos to JFK and DXB.
Contract ended for non payment to AAI, quite a big sum owed also, even backed for payment they claim by the Nigerian government.
Lucky AAI took the loss and paid the crews.
There was always fuel problems there, if the flight plan called for 100 tons they would try and convince you to take less than flight plan fuel, claiming not enough money available.
Not in any way saying that's what happened here , but from what I seen there I would not trust these ones to wind my ass or scratch my watch.
Many times we would figure the fuel load, last flight landed with 10 tons 6 hours ago, they claim they uploaded 85 more and we were just 5 tons short, when converting the fuel added to what was in the fuel remaining the numbers often did not match.
Drip stick confirmed this, was shocked to see anyone trying to beat the system like they did.
Really hope this is not what happened here.
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An Aviation Herald update stating that bird remains found in one of the engines
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Nigerian News story on CPT Waxman

Article link Dana Air Crash: Captain Waxtan ? So Unlucky

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Dana Air Crash: Captain Waxtan … So Unlucky

Sunday, 10 June 2012 00:00 Editor




Died On Last Day In The Rotation Roster In Nigeria
CAPTAIN Peter Waxtan, the American pilot who flew the ill-fated DANA plane last Sunday, was on his last flight and last day in Nigeria before returning to his country, friends and former colleagues have said.
A former pilot for Miramar-based Spirit Airlines, Waxtan resumed work with Dana Air in March 2012, Oscar Wason, the airline’s director of operations said.
In all, Waxtan had flown Dana planes for 30 days and was off duty for 15 days, Pat Squires, a pilot who worked with him for 15 years, told the Sun Sentinel newspaper in the United States.
Waxtan was to return on Sunday, June 3, the same day the DANA flight 992 crashed in Lagos, killing 153 people on board and at least 10 others on the ground.
Squire said that Waxtan was eager to return to the US and spend time with Lisa, his fiancée. “He spent as much time as he could get with her.”
According to Squire, “The 55-year-old pilot was to have arrived his Fort Lauderdale home on Wednesday, June 6.”
The American pilot worked at Spirit from 1997 to 2009 before his contract and that of Squires, his colleague, were terminated during union negotiations with the airline.
“It (termination) was a political thing,” Squires said, which occurred during union negotiations with the airline.Both men then flew for Falcon Air Express, a Miami-based charter service, which they departed last year.
Waxtan later joined DANA Air, where he worked 30 days on and 15 off, Squires said.
“(Last) Sunday was supposed to be his last day in the rotation in Nigeria,” he said.
Flight 992 was few kilometres on its final approach to the Lagos airport when Waxtan declared an emergency. The jetliner crashed into a two-storey railway building, hitting the ground tail first and exploding in flames.
Squires described his friend as a “consummate professional at flying. He was the best MD-80 captain I’ve ever seen.”
He said crash photos showing Flight 992 on the ground with it nose up indicates that Waxtan was trying to keep it in the air right until the end.
“He did everything he could to save that aircraft. In the end, if he knew it was going down, he did everything he could to minimise the amount of damage on the ground. If nothing else, his efforts were heroic,” he said.
Squires said Waxtan was a former Army helicopter pilot who enjoyed hiking. About three weeks ago, the two men spoke. “He was very happy, he kept telling me, ‘We need captains, come on over,” Squires recalled.
“I’m still in shock,” said the friend, his voice breaking. “God, I’m going to miss him”, the Sun Sentinel reported.
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yes , really. how do you do it?
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Old 10th Jun 2012, 21:07
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@Earl - nothing surprises about that place. Just heard the runway lights in Abuja were not working last night.

The authority rule with little understanding on their actions - its all about demonstrating competency by making a lot of noise - rather than taking actions. Dana Air is now grounded - reason why? Unknown! - Its the Nigerian way - "we will ground them to prove to the world we are doing something - even though not sure what it is we are doing". Like an airline and its people don't have enough to go through because of an accident on top of that the concerns of a future for the airline. Sad state of affairs by a country that has been given Cat 1 by the US.
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Melax:

Thanks for placing a human face on this about one of our fellow professionals. How sad.
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sevenstrokeroll:

I am not sure I could do all of that except when supported by a first-world airline with decent, if not great, maintenance.

When I flew the 707 (especially with professional F/Es) and 727 the F/E did a lot of that. When I flew the 767 the company basically said, "Trust us."
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I knew Pete. That photo is not him.
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Old 11th Jun 2012, 04:09
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Sad comment on Nigeria if they can't even get the photo right!
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Old 11th Jun 2012, 08:47
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Reuters article

The second paragraph indicates a passengers' husband is suing the estate of Capt. Waxtan....

Husband of Nigeria air crash victim sues Boeing - Yahoo! News

WTFO?
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Old 11th Jun 2012, 12:02
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They won't have much luck if they keep spelling his name incorrectly.
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Old 11th Jun 2012, 14:45
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How does it make a difference that Dana Air is suspended and the other carriers in Nigeria are still flying?

The root cause of all this chaos is systemic and if the Nigerian government is really interested in getting things right, the entire operational environment must be addressed accordingly.

Rules and regulations are very difficult to enforce in Nigeria, and as long as that "never mind habit" dominates the scenario, consequences can not be expected.
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Aviation lawyer Gary Robb, based in Kansas City, Missouri, who is the lead counsel on the lawsuit, said Allison was the first to file a lawsuit arising from the death of a relative in the crash.
"He did so because he wants answers, and he believes that the United States court system is far preferable to fairly and justly arrive at a resolution," Robb said on Friday. He said the lawsuit had been filed in Illinois because Boeing is based there.
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Old 11th Jun 2012, 14:54
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"dangerous and defective" aircraft

I find the characterization "dangerous and defective" aircraft pretty interesting.

Can anyone characterized a commercial airplane flown by a carrier in the United State in such a way?? I doubt it, and that really means a lot.

I personally won't board any plane in Nigeria.

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How does a lawyers drivel impact the unfortunate realities. There is absolutely no true indication of what the root cause was. If you are to believe the previous reports indicating significant maintenance issues then its negligence.

However I find it hard to fathom that the chief engineer and a seasoned pilot would knowing fly an airplane (with or without passengers) with significant safety issues.

If it's fuel problems (false load/contamination etc) that's another local issue...

Engine problem followed by a bird strike or double bird strike is just bad luck...

what puzzles me is the following combination...

The emergency was declared very late so I'd assume that the plane had no prior engine issues. Wouldn't the pilot have notified both company and ATC if he was approaching with a single engine? Same if gauges showed potential fuel starvation.

The fact (according to reports) that the comment was that the throttles weren't working??? wouldn't a fuel starvation flame out or a bird strike induced failure show on the panel with a multitude of warnings??

No call of a flame out or engine fire. Is it possible for the actual throttle quadrant linkage (mechanical or FBW) to break on a modern jet???
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