Dear International Pilots, You Are Not Welcome In Europe
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From: Denver/Europe
KAG,
that's not new, you are right. It is the implementation of the regulations. Even with PPLs. If a European pilot wants to fly in the US he needs a validation. It is valid as long as the foreign licence is current. If you want to do that in Europe it needs much more paperwork, it is valid for one year and you can do it only once in a lifetime. The second time an American goes for a Eurotrip with a rental plane he needs a stand-alone EASA PPL. Doesn't matter if he flies triple 7 at work and hundreds of hours in his free-time. My English isn't good enough to tell how stupid those EASA rules are.
that's not new, you are right. It is the implementation of the regulations. Even with PPLs. If a European pilot wants to fly in the US he needs a validation. It is valid as long as the foreign licence is current. If you want to do that in Europe it needs much more paperwork, it is valid for one year and you can do it only once in a lifetime. The second time an American goes for a Eurotrip with a rental plane he needs a stand-alone EASA PPL. Doesn't matter if he flies triple 7 at work and hundreds of hours in his free-time. My English isn't good enough to tell how stupid those EASA rules are.
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From: Hotels
The notion that I have to take a load of exams on nonesence such as lattitude nuts in a DI because i haven't had a JAR IR for 7 years is nonesence. I have a perfectly good IR from an authority which is at least as demanding as the UK CAA, and I renew it every six months. It's like asking a doctor to retake his Biology GCSE on return to the UK after working elsewhere for 7 years.
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From: Hotels
No, you can operate an"N" reg in Europe. There are moves at present to have all EU domiciled crews of foreign registered aircraft have EASA licences though. The other issue here is for those of us with both or more licences, if the JAA,CAA,EASA or whatever it is this weeks IR lapses over seven years we have to do the ATPL exams and a flight test.
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From: Shannon
OK so if I'm not mistaken, training wise, if I go to US, do my FAA CPL/ME/IR and wanted to convert to Euro land license, same rules still apply? I.e. pass in all ATPL exams, 15 hour IR training and a skill test for CPL/ME/IR?
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From: Surrounded by aluminum, and the great outdoors
An AIP/airlaw exam would make sense for sue, but a full licence?, flown airliners to Europe countless times, just didn't see the air or terra firm being that much different...another EU boondoggle..ETS, this, where does it end?
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From: Bohol, Philippines
What I don't understand is that our 'elected' lawmakers have had two chances of harmonisation in the last 15 years. The first was the birth of the JAA and the second the death of the JAA and birth of EASA. Instead of all this nonsense why did EASA and the FAA not sit down and agree a total commonality between the two licences?
Then we would be close to having a truly international licence in the spirit of the toothless ICAO. If you have a driving licence I can understand it might be restricted to your issuing country due to local procedures. However if I have a UK pilots licence I can fly anywhere in the world in a G registered aircraft. Surely the time has come for ICAO to make a stand and require pilot licences to be valid worldwide on any nationality aircraft.
Then we would be close to having a truly international licence in the spirit of the toothless ICAO. If you have a driving licence I can understand it might be restricted to your issuing country due to local procedures. However if I have a UK pilots licence I can fly anywhere in the world in a G registered aircraft. Surely the time has come for ICAO to make a stand and require pilot licences to be valid worldwide on any nationality aircraft.
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I'm a British citizen but I hold an FAA PPL. Am I allowed to fly a European registered aircraft in Europe?
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"I'm a British citizen but I hold an FAA PPL. Am I allowed to fly a European registered aircraft in Europe"
Well I am a British citizen with a British registered C172 and a British PPL valid for life BUT from April 2014 it will be illigal to fly my own aircraft unless i have converted my valid for life PPL to a 5 year very costly EASA licence !!!!
Well I am a British citizen with a British registered C172 and a British PPL valid for life BUT from April 2014 it will be illigal to fly my own aircraft unless i have converted my valid for life PPL to a 5 year very costly EASA licence !!!!
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Well I am a British citizen with a British registered C172 and a British PPL valid for life BUT from April 2014 it will be illigal to fly my own aircraft unless i have converted my valid for life PPL to a 5 year very costly EASA licence !!!!
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From: Shannon
ICAO - established April 1947 by leading aviation professionals
EASA - established July 2002 by cheap non-aviation pencil pushers and bean counters
ICAO - tries to fight global warming with knowledge and cutting edge technology
EASA - fights everyone and dictates financial fees to fight global warming (??!!!)
ICAO - unique license for an aviation professional (because laws of physics and air is the same everywhere on the planet)
EASA - special, very expensive "european" license for anyone wishing to fly in (not so)United states of Europe, regardless of your experience and professionalism (because air and laws of physics are somehow different on the Old continent than the rest of our planet)
ICAO - promotes aviation on worldwide basis
EASA - closes aviation for EVERYONE
EASA, please take off your pants and sit at the end of a very long and wide vertical pole.
Thanks
EASA - established July 2002 by cheap non-aviation pencil pushers and bean counters
ICAO - tries to fight global warming with knowledge and cutting edge technology
EASA - fights everyone and dictates financial fees to fight global warming (??!!!)
ICAO - unique license for an aviation professional (because laws of physics and air is the same everywhere on the planet)
EASA - special, very expensive "european" license for anyone wishing to fly in (not so)United states of Europe, regardless of your experience and professionalism (because air and laws of physics are somehow different on the Old continent than the rest of our planet)
ICAO - promotes aviation on worldwide basis
EASA - closes aviation for EVERYONE
EASA, please take off your pants and sit at the end of a very long and wide vertical pole.
Thanks
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From: UK
BALLSOUT - you may well be correct but that licence will not get me into the airways for longer journeys and will considerably reduce my despatch rate and as far as I am aware is restricted to VFR only.
As others have said it is a pointless exercise by pointless bureaucrats with little knowledge of the real world.
As others have said it is a pointless exercise by pointless bureaucrats with little knowledge of the real world.
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From: U K
WorkingHard You may well be correct in what you say and i don't disagree with you. I was merely confirming what was now available, be it good or bad. I don't think it's just aviation, the lunatics seem to be running most asylums these days!
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From: Western USA
"I'm a British citizen but I hold an FAA PPL. Am I allowed to fly a European registered aircraft in Europe"
Well I am a British citizen with a British registered C172 and a British PPL valid for life BUT from April 2014 it will be illigal to fly my own aircraft unless i have converted my valid for life PPL to a 5 year very costly EASA licence !!!!
Well I am a British citizen with a British registered C172 and a British PPL valid for life BUT from April 2014 it will be illigal to fly my own aircraft unless i have converted my valid for life PPL to a 5 year very costly EASA licence !!!!
Sad. Sorry folks. Hopefully, we in America will break the trend this November before its too late.
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From: West Britain
It would indeed have been tremendous if EASA and FAA could have sat down and thrashed out a common licence standard. Unfortunately, the US has seen fit to file so many differences with ICAO Annex 1 over the years that there has never been sufficient common ground.
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From: 3rd Rock, #29B
It may be worse
There are numerous jurisdictions where the EU licence is being used as a basis of the 3rd states licence, and there are little caveats that the validation is only effective with the continued validity of the basic licence.... Your Easa licence may become a mill stone to your 3rd party flying... Check your contracts and locall Part 61 equivalents....
Good luck.
Good luck.
