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Captain 'subdued' aboard JetBlue flight

Old 28th Mar 2012, 11:53
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Hypoxia - interesting idea

I can tell you from experience that combination of altitude + natural problem with O2 supply from whatever reason (in my case, blood clot in lungs) can definitely make you feel very panicky and paranoid, like the floor is slipping out from under you. However such a person is very weak at the knees and everywhere else, and would not require 4 men to subdue.

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Old 28th Mar 2012, 11:54
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I sincerely hope that you know more about flying than medicine. Ill informed statements such as this help no one
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Old 28th Mar 2012, 11:54
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In my company, the off duty captain would officially become
the commander.
I can see an obvious insurance issue for any off-duty bloke
who jumps in a crew seat and declares himself the boss in
a non-emergency (as against an incidental) situation.

Anyway assuming he is out of uniform what happens if he's
had a few grogs down the back in the meantime?
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Old 28th Mar 2012, 11:58
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Medication - thought occurred to me too

Middle-aged men are regularly given cocktails of drugs for cholesterol control, some of which seem to me, from experience with my father, to have very powerful side effects. But doesn't the FAA have strict rules about what prescription regimens are allowed for active duty pilots?

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Old 28th Mar 2012, 12:14
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FR8R H8R And.......everyone moves up one seniority number.
with the clapping of hands no less, gives me an overwhelming desire to see you trampled in the rush.
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Old 28th Mar 2012, 12:50
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It could have been worse:

Ryanair boss aims to axe 'unnecessary' co-pilots | Business | guardian.co.uk
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Old 28th Mar 2012, 13:10
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CaptProp, no such bloody luck. Fox Ninner, dont worry I'll be there for you. The words reported in the media could have been the Captain trying to reasure the world he was one of the good guys. Get well soon to all.
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Old 28th Mar 2012, 13:22
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I'm sure the Captain new how to open the door! The usual way... I don't think any of this stuff should be in the public domain.
Do you mean the spelling of knew ?
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Old 28th Mar 2012, 13:52
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Poor Captain!

Might there have been a heated political debate in the cockpit prior to the Captains exit -for a breath of fresh air perhaps when the cockpit got too hot??
CNN witness quoting Captain mentioning “terrorism associated with Israel,Iran,Afghan” might point to the FO having one of these origins perhaps and there might have been a political debate going on in the cockpit. Bearing in mind that inside an American (USA and Canadian) airliner cabin mere MENTION of the word terrorist or worse a discussion of it will cause already paranoid people on-board to trigger an aggressive reaction (fight or flight response) which may have caused the already worked up Captain, barred from entry into HIS office to react in a less than civil manner..situation that is compounded by aggressive feedback from hypersensitive and paranoid passengers. We may not know the exact words uttered by the captain nor his body language before he was bounced by those heavy weight passengers.

Another point worth querying is..if a company pilot was in the cockpit (assuming after the incident and not whilst the Capt was in the toilet...CVR will expand on this) why didn’t he take over as Captain as is the normal rule with regards to Captain incapacitation SOP world wide and have the FO assist?May be he was also FO, may be he was not Type qualified?It would make more sense if the "relief Captain" boarded the cockpit on the ground to help with shut down and security checks or Voyage reporting.After such an incident I imagine the relief Captain would have to be well known to the crew to be allowed in...as a crew ID can be faked.
He is a colleague guys.Let us be gentlemen and give him the benefit of the doubt till proven guilty.I am sure justice will run its course.I pray if he was innocent to redeem himself after a proper investigation and fair hearing.
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Old 28th Mar 2012, 14:20
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Not sure I can cope with all these mights...
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Old 28th Mar 2012, 14:22
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Since none of us were there, how do we KNOW that the F.O. was the sane and balanced one? All we have to go on is his word.
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Old 28th Mar 2012, 15:38
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the recent campaigns on banishing ignorance about mental illness have a long way to run.
Disorientation and incoherent speech need not be a sign of mental disorder. Very often it’s about brain blood vessels – a stroke, a TIA, a couple of more rare reasons – some part of the brain does not have adequate supply of blood and the person acts weird (and it really does look as if one were mad). Or some obstruction in the blood vessels of the neck.
Thus a bit early to declare him insane.
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Old 28th Mar 2012, 15:48
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I don't know about the FO - but the video and witness accounts of the captain's behavior (leaving aside non-expert opinions) make it clear HE was not stable, as of that moment.

Sorry, but if there IS a problem with the FO, you don't run up and down the aisle babbling about Iraq and Afghanistan and prayer and bombs and try to break into an occupied loo. You quietly contact the cabin crew and/or the deadheading captain for assistance.

I believe this captain was, at that moment, of "diminished capacity." That does not mean he was "at fault" in some way. We've already hashed over the possible acute medical/medication explanations, and his prior career seems exemplary.

I do look forward to hearing his side of things, if he cares to share them.
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Old 28th Mar 2012, 15:50
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Canadian TV just aired an interview with one of the passengers on the flight. (Who happened to be sitting in seat 10A and supposedly witnessed the incident.)

According to this passenger the Captain exited the flight deck, leaving the cockpit door open, and tried barging into an occupied lavatory. He then ran up the aisle screaming "They're going to take us down" and urged the passengers to pray.

As he was being subdued by cabin crew and passengers he was spouting off about Al Qaeda, Afghanistan, bombs and souls.

The interviewed passenger also stated that prior to the Captain's exit from the flight deck, the aircraft was flying "erratically."

Again, this is the medja reporting so it should be taken with a large grain of salt. However, the interviewed passenger did seem sympathetic to the Captain's plight.
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Old 28th Mar 2012, 16:30
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One aspect of this incident not mentioned here is that the pilot in question has a Twïtter account. Not updated since January, but he seems to have started it to promote a side business:
Join our team at ViSalus in helping others to better Health and Financial Prosperity @ www.MyVi.net/ozosbon ViSalus - Body by Vi
I'll save you the trouble of going to that website: it's a multilevel marketing scheme for this weight-loss stuff:

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Old 28th Mar 2012, 16:46
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Unfortunately I have been around three times when someone has had a full on breakdown - not in the air thank God.

it is both very frightening and, once it they are in the hands of the professionals, very sad

in each case it was someone pushed to their limit, a number of issues intersecting at the wrong time

he needs help and sympathy
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Old 28th Mar 2012, 16:59
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Or, as said by Friedrich Nietzsche: "Human. All Too Human".

For crying out loud, the guy is an airline captain yes. With all that entails. But he is also a human being. With all that entails as well.

He requires a lot of help and our collective sympathies. Nothing more and nothing less.
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Old 28th Mar 2012, 17:16
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Mixture: ......Also stop getting your underwear in a twist, because as has already been pointed out, the information has been in the public domain for some time now because the manufacturer wanted to secure a patent.

Good idea. Let's post it on the internet so every knuckleheadded idiot can find it without really trying.
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Old 28th Mar 2012, 17:17
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More background on the ill captain from a newspaper article:

The CEO/president of JetBlue says the crazed captain captured by Las Vegas-bound passengers after a mid-air meltdown was a old friend and “consummate professional.”

Airline executive Dave Barger said Capt. Clayton Osbon’s history offered no hints of any potential problems — and certainly nothing like his bizarre rant about terrorists and bombs.

“Obviously, the captain’s now in the hands of medical care, obviously under the custody of the FBI,” Barger said Wednesday morning on the “Today” show.

“I’ve know the captain personally for a long period of time, and there's been no indication of this at all in the past,” Barger said. “Consummate professional.”

...According to a 2011 magazine profile of Osbon, he spent his life flying and has flown 35 different types of aircraft. He did a stint piloting luxury jets around the world and lived in Portugal and France.

He tried to fly for the Navy but didn’t make the cut because of an astigmatism in his right eye.

“That broke my heart a little bit,” he told Lucas, who wrote him up for last year’s Richmond Hill Reflections “Guys in the Sky Issue.”

Osbon has been flying for jetBlue since the airline launched in 2000 and has a sideline selling weight-loss products, including a “shake mix that tastes like a cake mix.”

He told Lucas he’d like to start a new career as a motivational speaker.

“I’d like to think the world is more than just getting up in the morning, making a cup of coffee, going to work, coming home, kissing your wife good-night and going to bed,” he said.

A grandfather, devout Christian and conservative Republican, his Facebook page lists two activities: “Working Hard” and “Praising God.”

A neighbor in Georgia who declined to be named called Osbon “perfectly normal.”

“One of his hobbies is kayaking. He’s very laid back guy as far as I can tell,” he said. “He’s helpful if you ask him for something. I don’t think he has ever had any problems with anyone here.”
Hero JetBlue passenger didn

More on his Facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/clayton.osbon

Was he carrying a gun, or has that programme been terminated?
Don't know if he was packing but some of the folks in the FFDO program worry me as they wax poetic about their collection of guns and huge stocks of ammo and how they will use them if Obama tries to take away their automatic weapons. FFDO's are supposedly screened for psych issues but a few of them appear to me to be on the lunatic fringe even for pilots.

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Anyone, regardless of profession, race, gender, etc., is not immune from mental disease. (IF, and that is a strong IF, that is the case here.) And sometimes the manifestations of mental disease appear suddenly and without warning. Even for those considered "with it."

IF this is mental disease - for want of a better term - then all anyone can hope for is that he receives the best of care on a path to speedy recovery.
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