AirPhilExpress 320 off the RWY...Video from Inside
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AirPhilExpress 320 off the RWY...Video from Inside
Smooth Landing...RWY Wet, and a different ending.
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And now..., RFFS»»»they seem a "lil bit" in doubt of what should be done.???
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Good, that "greaser" was almost within the touchdown zone, of the opposite threshold! 
Also, is it just me or was that landing checklist done a bit late?
Luckily for everyone, the A320 has quite good breaks and there was these nice grass beyond that runway and not a big slope.
Also, is it just me or was that landing checklist done a bit late?
Luckily for everyone, the A320 has quite good breaks and there was these nice grass beyond that runway and not a big slope.
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Difficult to tell, but is that Flap Full? Looks like 3 to me. How long is the runway? Doesn't actually look that wet - you can see "dry" Tarmac during the rollout.
It'll all be in the report no doubt - just glad the only casualty is the crews blushes.
It'll all be in the report no doubt - just glad the only casualty is the crews blushes.
It looks like threshold crossing height was over 200 feet and I make the time from the crossing the end of the runway to touch down as 16 seconds. At 250 feet of runway per second that is 4000 feet 
But hey what do you expect for your $ 69 fare
But hey what do you expect for your $ 69 fare
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Very late on the cabin warning and equally late on the touchdown too. As pointed out, nothing hurt but pride but it could have been nasty had there not been a nice green field to run off into.
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Love the comment as they came to a stop on the 1st video (by the guy doing the filming I guess) "Nice Landing" 
indeed, but at the wrong end of the runway.
Lucky it wasn't on a.n.other runway or would have ended rather more dramatically.
Cannot believe the "prepare for landing" flightdeck announcement
, nor the one from the C.C to the pax , did anyone have their finger on the pulse here ?
indeed, but at the wrong end of the runway. Lucky it wasn't on a.n.other runway or would have ended rather more dramatically.
Cannot believe the "prepare for landing" flightdeck announcement
, nor the one from the C.C to the pax , did anyone have their finger on the pulse here ?
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Every member of staff, particuarly CEO and Chairman/Pres should presume that there will be someone filming Each and Every movement of their a/c and putting it online - possibly before they have even left the terminal building.
Accordingly, every carrier should appreciate this free lesson in 21st century Pax!! But I kinda think they won't like it.
Accordingly, every carrier should appreciate this free lesson in 21st century Pax!! But I kinda think they won't like it.
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I wonder if their brakes caught fire. You can see the CFR kind of heading towards the tires and then pointing at them. They really are lucky that there was some room at the end of the runway for them to come to a complete stop.
The late PA announcement is very telling. It shows that the flight crew were most likely very busy trying to salvage an approach that was obviously very unstable and therefore forgot their normal duties, i.e., the cabin PAs. I can't understand how cabin crew can't tell when landing gear is deployed and they should take the initiative to seat people. Had people still been standing, or in the lav makes your chances of surviving an overrun quite slim.
I guess you get what you pay for. LCCs in all of Asia are scraping the bottom of the barrel for air crews willing to work for peanuts, and this is the end result. You know that if a carrier is so tight on funds that corners must be getting cut everywhere.
The late PA announcement is very telling. It shows that the flight crew were most likely very busy trying to salvage an approach that was obviously very unstable and therefore forgot their normal duties, i.e., the cabin PAs. I can't understand how cabin crew can't tell when landing gear is deployed and they should take the initiative to seat people. Had people still been standing, or in the lav makes your chances of surviving an overrun quite slim.
I guess you get what you pay for. LCCs in all of Asia are scraping the bottom of the barrel for air crews willing to work for peanuts, and this is the end result. You know that if a carrier is so tight on funds that corners must be getting cut everywhere.
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Specifically not trying to go AvB with this comment, but, in the 727 and 737s I've been on I can always hear the binders working overtime when trying to come to a quick stop (groaning sound), was kind of surprised nothing was heard here, or was this crew still in Autobrake 1 (or Airbus equivelant)?
Also, a quick comparison to Google Earth shows roughly 2750 feet from the point of touchdown to the beginning of the overrun. Not sure what the demonstrated distance for the Airbus is so maybe someone could provide that.
Finally, assuming a deceleration rate of approximately 14 ft/s/s the touchdown speed works out to roughly 160 knots.
NOTE: Not trying to provide answers here, just some observations.
Also, a quick comparison to Google Earth shows roughly 2750 feet from the point of touchdown to the beginning of the overrun. Not sure what the demonstrated distance for the Airbus is so maybe someone could provide that.
Finally, assuming a deceleration rate of approximately 14 ft/s/s the touchdown speed works out to roughly 160 knots.
NOTE: Not trying to provide answers here, just some observations.
Last edited by aviatorhi; 17th Feb 2012 at 03:44. Reason: Added "NOTE:"
Unless the video doesn't show it, absolutely nothing from the CC when the plane left the tarmac. How did they know it wasn't going to go pear shaped- should at least have been some brace commands- if they knew what they were doing. Clearly into a 'non-normal' and still nothing. Hope at least there were some instructions to the pax... seems like they kept them sitting while fire dept wa assessing, but the amount of laughter/joking in the background is a bit concerning. It could indicate that things weren't being taken too seriously (by anyone) 
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This is The Philippines ... nothing should be taken too seriously. 
At my little local airport they know precisely what to do with the fire engine, as the twice weekly ATR72 roars overhead on the inbound they start the engine, presumably, to charge the battery and, just occasionally, they'll take it for a short drive to perform a runway inspection with it!
At my little local airport they know precisely what to do with the fire engine, as the twice weekly ATR72 roars overhead on the inbound they start the engine, presumably, to charge the battery and, just occasionally, they'll take it for a short drive to perform a runway inspection with it!
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A320 at MLW has demonstrated landing distance of approx 850m. This is of course with an Airbus hotshot at the controls with a new aircraft on a perfect day over the fence at Vapp at 50' with max manual braking.
So for Joe average line pilot with a slightly used Bus and non perfect technique I'd add a conservative 30% to that - minimum. Add a tailwind ..........
I know hindsight is 20/20 but seeing this and reading the Air Europa GCRR overrun why does this STILL continue to happen? There's enough history/evidence/documentation/articles out there to sink a battleship. You have to have a certain level of common sense/intelligence to get to the front of a jet these days (I know, I know pay To Fly....) so why do crews still think they can pull it off when it should be alarms bells ringing?
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So for Joe average line pilot with a slightly used Bus and non perfect technique I'd add a conservative 30% to that - minimum. Add a tailwind ..........
I know hindsight is 20/20 but seeing this and reading the Air Europa GCRR overrun why does this STILL continue to happen? There's enough history/evidence/documentation/articles out there to sink a battleship. You have to have a certain level of common sense/intelligence to get to the front of a jet these days (I know, I know pay To Fly....) so why do crews still think they can pull it off when it should be alarms bells ringing?
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