AirPhilExpress 320 off the RWY...Video from Inside
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why does this STILL continue to happen?
This was as others have mentioned a clear case where a go around should have been performed. I am still shaking my head.
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And any professional would know that it is completely impossible to judge landing speed via a camera poking out of a window, or any other way at all without instruments in front of you...
Sure doesn't look like flap Full though.
Sure doesn't look like flap Full though.
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Wonders of the World
The Philippinnes could be added to the Wonders of the World !!
I am wondering what else can happen there and when it happen I am not wondering anymore. Each Pinnoy a lovley Person as a individual and I will certainly miss my Visits at Subic, Angeles, Makati, Malate and Cebu now and then. I had a nice time and I always remember the warm heartet People there. When it comes to professionalism there was always a lack of understanding and taking things seriously the right way. The Video is reflecting that as well.
Afterwards we all know that a G/A would be the proper way of action. Why it was not done? I haven´t been there, I do not know any facts that caused this overrun. I cannot look into Pilots brain and get the undecorated truth.
This is just one bad example to the Public that Pilots are the weakest part of the chain. Interface between the plane and the pilot?
21st Century technology allows this evidence to go public short after the Mobile device has a connection again. Until the FDR is pulled and screened the "clicks" in the NET go into 6 digits....
Fly safe and land happy
NG
I am wondering what else can happen there and when it happen I am not wondering anymore. Each Pinnoy a lovley Person as a individual and I will certainly miss my Visits at Subic, Angeles, Makati, Malate and Cebu now and then. I had a nice time and I always remember the warm heartet People there. When it comes to professionalism there was always a lack of understanding and taking things seriously the right way. The Video is reflecting that as well.
Afterwards we all know that a G/A would be the proper way of action. Why it was not done? I haven´t been there, I do not know any facts that caused this overrun. I cannot look into Pilots brain and get the undecorated truth.
This is just one bad example to the Public that Pilots are the weakest part of the chain. Interface between the plane and the pilot?
21st Century technology allows this evidence to go public short after the Mobile device has a connection again. Until the FDR is pulled and screened the "clicks" in the NET go into 6 digits....
Fly safe and land happy
NG
With regards to the comment about autobrakes if you watch the video carefully it appears that the deceleration rate increased significantly in the last few seconds of runway. I reckon another 300 ft and they would have got away with it albeit with some more-than-luke-warm brakes! Still an appalling landing though.
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The boys up front were merely passengers as they departed the runway. It could just as easily been a steep ravine for all they seemed to care.
No third world airlines for me, thank you. Most of the first world carriers are bad enough as it is.
No third world airlines for me, thank you. Most of the first world carriers are bad enough as it is.
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Spent a total of 5 years working at Manila international- witnessed more accidents, both fatal and funny, than in the rest of a forty year career.After being in the 1st Obs seat on many occasions during landing I came to the conclusion that Philippine pilots were more interested in a 'greaser' than where they actually put it down. They could make the smoothest touchdowns I have ever experienced but they were halfway down the runway. On one landing at Kai Tak we had full reverse and braking until we stopped on the piano keys. I could see the water getting closer and was working out whether I could get out of the overhead hatch before the f/e.In spite of that it was the best job I ever had and the crews were among the best. Lovely people to work with.
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Not completely impossible to judge speed, if you know time and assume (or know) a decel rate. The rate I used was 14ft/s/s, which is a reasonable deceleration rate, assuming maximum braking (I wasn't sure it was max anyway, was just making some observations).
Doors, thanks, that demonstrated distance works out to roughly 50 feet more than the runway they had remaining on touchdown.
Not completely impossible to judge speed, if you know time and assume (or know) a decel rate. The rate I used was 14ft/s/s, which is a reasonable deceleration rate, assuming maximum braking (I wasn't sure it was max anyway, was just making some observations).
Doors, thanks, that demonstrated distance works out to roughly 50 feet more than the runway they had remaining on touchdown.
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Appeared to be fast on final. First impression was that the camera speed was increased.
Windsock appears to be about 100-110 degrees off runway heading when ti first appears and changes to almost pure tailwind as the plane goes by.
Tailwind wasn't the problem. Aimpoint and airspeed.
Windsock appears to be about 100-110 degrees off runway heading when ti first appears and changes to almost pure tailwind as the plane goes by.
Tailwind wasn't the problem. Aimpoint and airspeed.
You see what happened there? Truely shocking!! When will people learn to turn off all electrical devices for take off and landing?! This is what happens people, this is what happens! Won't someone think of the children ... and orphans ... and orphaned baby bunnies!
I'll let myself out ...
JAS
I know you can't see the instruments but wow! The groundspeed certainly looked impressive as they shot past the threshold and stands.
Considering how far down the runway they actually touched down, the overrun wasn't too bad. What was going through these peoples' minds to carry on like this? (Nothing, I know...)
Considering how far down the runway they actually touched down, the overrun wasn't too bad. What was going through these peoples' minds to carry on like this? (Nothing, I know...)
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Is this a joke?
Am I the only one who finds this video almost comical?
Pilot makes the PA at one or two hundred feet.
FA makes PA during the flare
Pilot lands well down the runway, with a tailwind
Camera man says it was a nice landing (sarcasm?)
Thankfully nobody was hurt, but the incompetence shown in this video actually gave me a chuckle.
Hope I don't ever have to fly behind one of those guys though.
Pilot makes the PA at one or two hundred feet.
FA makes PA during the flare
Pilot lands well down the runway, with a tailwind
Camera man says it was a nice landing (sarcasm?)
Thankfully nobody was hurt, but the incompetence shown in this video actually gave me a chuckle.
Hope I don't ever have to fly behind one of those guys though.
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If I was one of the investigators who was dealing with this incident, I would be asking to see a copy of this video taken by mobile phone. It shows a complete lack of any decision making by the Flight Crew in a seriously dangerous situation.To fast, to high on the approach, no provision for TOGA and no announcement of an overrun tp assengers or CC.
The cabin crew are not exhonerated from any blame either as their emergency drills and operations should have started once they knew that the aircraft was about to depart the active runway.
This was sheer luck nothing more nothing less....
The cabin crew are not exhonerated from any blame either as their emergency drills and operations should have started once they knew that the aircraft was about to depart the active runway.
This was sheer luck nothing more nothing less....