SIA 777 off the rwy at EDDM
Looks like tire failure to me. I'm almost sure of it, as seen from the black smoke.
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Crews who fly regularly in and out of MUC know that the Localizer on this runway (both directions) is very easy to deflect. As soon as something approaches the antenna, the signal does this S twist.
I fail to see a tire failure. If you see that your autoland doesn't guide to on the correct path, switch it off and go manual.
I fail to see a tire failure. If you see that your autoland doesn't guide to on the correct path, switch it off and go manual.
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Looks like that plane spotter finally released the vid.
My pure observation:
Well, you can see the plane:
1)Last 30-20 feet suddenly bank left, left main wheel touch down first and HARD for quite awhile before right touch down. AC more to left of runway centerline if you observe the tarmac visual.
2)The black smoke is from the Grass debris kicked up from left main boogey going on it first BEFORE the nose wheel.
3) Nose wheel RE-airborne for 1-2 seconds and land again eventually hitting grass debris (coincides with attempt go around when nose veering off ?)
The whole veering seems quite linear rather than a violent swing. (more like JAY CHOU initial D mountain SIDE DRAIN-LOCK smooth Drift.
He saved the day.
My pure observation:
Well, you can see the plane:
1)Last 30-20 feet suddenly bank left, left main wheel touch down first and HARD for quite awhile before right touch down. AC more to left of runway centerline if you observe the tarmac visual.
2)The black smoke is from the Grass debris kicked up from left main boogey going on it first BEFORE the nose wheel.
3) Nose wheel RE-airborne for 1-2 seconds and land again eventually hitting grass debris (coincides with attempt go around when nose veering off ?)
The whole veering seems quite linear rather than a violent swing. (more like JAY CHOU initial D mountain SIDE DRAIN-LOCK smooth Drift.
He saved the day.
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Around the 17th second is the nose being pulled up...??!
Also no reversers, even at idle? And I don't see the ground/spoilers either.
Something not right here.
If the vid is to be believed, aircraft never got into 'ground' mode. And then an attempt to abort the landing vs someone stepping on the brakes maybe..?!
Also no reversers, even at idle? And I don't see the ground/spoilers either.
Something not right here.
If the vid is to be believed, aircraft never got into 'ground' mode. And then an attempt to abort the landing vs someone stepping on the brakes maybe..?!
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Wow, you guys will make excellent accident investigators ! So observant and so sharp, right down to the micro seconds... I have informed Boeing and SIA to look you guys up for your expert opinions, advice and conclusion to the incident... By the way, cj has been pretty quiet lah.. No bitching for a while lah...
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Thanks for the video.
Can anybody see whether the speed brakes extend? Couldn't be sure. If reversers not deployed (as someone else noted) and speed brake not armed there wouldn't be an awful lot of friction to control the aircraft as it commenced it's detour.
Glad I wasn't on board front or back!
Can anybody see whether the speed brakes extend? Couldn't be sure. If reversers not deployed (as someone else noted) and speed brake not armed there wouldn't be an awful lot of friction to control the aircraft as it commenced it's detour.
Glad I wasn't on board front or back!
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Think CJ is being investigated by SQ. Might have bark up the wrong tree this time round. Let's see what happens to the guy. Becoming tougher or perhaps digging a bigger hole for himself.
Interesting nevertheless.
Interesting nevertheless.
I thought the observations above were spot-on.
As to what caused them ?.... just speculative.
Back to the orignial tire-track photo.
Could The appearance of the sharpish swerve be due to fore-shortening from the camera lens distance?
As to what caused them ?.... just speculative.
Back to the orignial tire-track photo.
Could The appearance of the sharpish swerve be due to fore-shortening from the camera lens distance?
Nosewheel was firmly placed on runway then a new rotation commenced, which was abruptly cancelled.
Think that might be close to the truth. Last time this happened a certain 747 ended off the runway in BKK.
Accidental TOGA push followed by a, 'I have control, no I have control, no the auto-pilot has control,' moment. Anybody wanna wager?