Tiger Australia grounded by CASA
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QNH 1034 at Av. Cruise 1013. Supposing - just supposing - the crew forgot to change to 1034 on descent, wouldn't that put them about 600 ft low and at night...
Radio altimeter would show true height over water if noticed.
Radio altimeter would show true height over water if noticed.
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For the non pilots and Jurnos:
With regard to landing with a tail wind, the reality is tail wind landings are conducted regularly without issue all around the world, some examples that come to mind .
Morning arrivals into SYD 34L quartering tail wind all the way down the approach with light and variable on the ground "occasional downwind 5 kts" -Noise abatement reasons.
PER 21 arrivals at night howling quartering tailwind, crosswind sometimes in excess of 40 kts at 400ft with maybe 10 kts tailwind component becoming light and variable on the ground " tending downwind 4 kts - also noise abatement reasons".
LAX all runways to 24 and 25 complexes, regular operations with up to 5-10 kts tailwind on the ground - traffic management reasons.
It is just the modern world of aviation, that's the reason aircraft are certified to land and takeoff with a certain tailwind limitation.
Why they elected to land tailwind at AVV? Probably to take advantage of an ILS approach to runway 18 rather than fly the VOR approach or visual approach to 36 (Avalon is not equipped with an ILS to 36). Reason? Because it is both easier and safer to fly an ILS approach where you have accurate glidepath information. I doubt cost entered the crews mind, savings are negligible anyway.
As for the missed approach and subsequent decent below the MSA, I'll leave that to the ATSB to comment on.
With regard to landing with a tail wind, the reality is tail wind landings are conducted regularly without issue all around the world, some examples that come to mind .
Morning arrivals into SYD 34L quartering tail wind all the way down the approach with light and variable on the ground "occasional downwind 5 kts" -Noise abatement reasons.
PER 21 arrivals at night howling quartering tailwind, crosswind sometimes in excess of 40 kts at 400ft with maybe 10 kts tailwind component becoming light and variable on the ground " tending downwind 4 kts - also noise abatement reasons".
LAX all runways to 24 and 25 complexes, regular operations with up to 5-10 kts tailwind on the ground - traffic management reasons.
It is just the modern world of aviation, that's the reason aircraft are certified to land and takeoff with a certain tailwind limitation.
Why they elected to land tailwind at AVV? Probably to take advantage of an ILS approach to runway 18 rather than fly the VOR approach or visual approach to 36 (Avalon is not equipped with an ILS to 36). Reason? Because it is both easier and safer to fly an ILS approach where you have accurate glidepath information. I doubt cost entered the crews mind, savings are negligible anyway.
As for the missed approach and subsequent decent below the MSA, I'll leave that to the ATSB to comment on.
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The reason's stated for the grounding of Tiger could easily be applied to just about every major airline out there. They all sacrifice safety for costs. Very political I'm afraid, not very practical.
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Does anyone know the MSAs which were violated and whether the violations were IFR or VFR? The only significant spot height close to Avalon is the Youyangs. Perhaps the MSAs were the established break off heights for an instrument approach.
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Very little on the ATSB website so far re the 30 Jun YMAV incident.
A little more detail on the 07 Jun YMML incident.
Very little on the ATSB website so far re the 30 Jun YMAV incident.
A little more detail on the 07 Jun YMML incident.
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I flew out of Ymav last night on a JQ flight tigers 320s was just stting there looking very sad. I will not fly with tiger and its not because of the right wing media push out all sorts of lies about flying. its because I work with some of there former employees.
And they will not fly with them so that make me think there is something on the nose over at tiger.
And they will not fly with them so that make me think there is something on the nose over at tiger.
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Still I don't get it...
QNH 1034 at Av. Cruise 1013. Supposing - just supposing - the crew forgot to change to 1034 on descent, wouldn't that put them about 600 ft low and at night...
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In 2008, Spirit Airlines was on the brink of closing down at the peak of the recession. Indigo, which owns partly Spirit Airlines, sent 7 Airbus (5 A319s and 2 A321s) in a matter of weeks to other airlines looking for a lease. Unfortunately, I can see Indigo doing the same for Tiger. Let's put it another way, Spirit is looking to expand rapidly with several new routes announced.
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It looks as though they have now suspended all sales. ATI quotes them as saying that flights are "temporarily removed from sale", and indeed when you go into the booking engine you can choose Australian routes and see the schedule, just not select any flights to book.
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Now grounded until 1st August: Tiger grounded until August 1
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Perhaps nit-picking but not yet grounded till Aug 1, CASA is to apply to the Federal Court for such a grounding.
ABC news reports "CEO Crawford Rix has resigned" on said news.
ABC news reports "CEO Crawford Rix has resigned" on said news.