RYR taxi with towbar in LPL
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John R.
Wrong end of stick, perhaps.
I'll try and put it another way. Army sends patrols out in a Snatch Landrover instead of a Panther or Saxon. Because...
Patrol goes out and does good job. They are professional, and properly trained etc.
So are you supporting the crews, or the company, for the "99%" of the time that it works (given 1000 plus flights a day, I would hope for a better return than that).
I think we're saying the same thing, really.
Good crews + SOP = safe operation ( despite, not because of the task in hand ). Except sometimes the s**t will hit the fan anyway.
If the safety proceedures are not compromised for commercial reasons ( not saying they were here ), that's another barrier in the error chain.
Wrong end of stick, perhaps.
I'll try and put it another way. Army sends patrols out in a Snatch Landrover instead of a Panther or Saxon. Because...
Patrol goes out and does good job. They are professional, and properly trained etc.
So are you supporting the crews, or the company, for the "99%" of the time that it works (given 1000 plus flights a day, I would hope for a better return than that).
I think we're saying the same thing, really.
Good crews + SOP = safe operation ( despite, not because of the task in hand ). Except sometimes the s**t will hit the fan anyway.
If the safety proceedures are not compromised for commercial reasons ( not saying they were here ), that's another barrier in the error chain.
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You are not allowed to do visual app in FR, unless you have LNAV and VNAV availible to a minimum of 4NM. So disconnecting FD and A/P for a visual is not legal in FR.
You are allowed to handfly but FD must be on with LNAV and VNAV.
Young cadets never learn to fly visual at any stage without the possibility to learn the aircraft behaviour.
You are allowed to handfly but FD must be on with LNAV and VNAV.
Young cadets never learn to fly visual at any stage without the possibility to learn the aircraft behaviour.
YYZ
some restrictions on visual approaches but nothing to do with LNAV & VNAV (that i recall)?
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Back to the tow bar.
Its easy not to see the tow bar after disconnect. At HERG yesterday the tug drove off almost immediately the a/c stopped durring pushback, without the towbar! A small baggage tug appeared & took said bar in opposite direction. When ground staff gave wave off with pin, no tug(s) or towbars to be seen. If your busy monitoring your engine start proceedures & a little baggage truck departs right with tow bar it can be very hard to spot from "the office" even in a 738. You rely on your team, sop's & experience. Often its the experience that is the final saftey net, with sop's giving you a supperb foundation.
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Jumbo.
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Sorry fellow aviators.. Have been looking in my old FR SOP. You are allowed visual app, but some restriction´s are in force for restricted F/C, and that was what i recalled.
Once again sorry for the misshap guys..
Once again sorry for the misshap guys..
