Delta A330 Stall/Buffet incident enroute to AMS

[filejw]

FYI all DAL crew stay at the same hotel,and if you are listening to FA's well sorry you need way more info...

[kbrockman]

Professional Pilots Inuendo Network

Let's see now, we have an alledged life threatening incident with an American company operated airbus A330 (how did that stay out of the press ???), that is currently still flying around ,on route from MSP to AMS as we speak.

now there are rumours and there are rumours but this is stretching it a bit far ,no?

[perigeemw]

DAL A330 incident BOM - AMS

Here is a posting from a Facebook FA friend who was on the flight:

Just in from my AMS-Bom trip...aday late with horrible mechanicalin BOM...terribly mishandled by groundstaff in BOM...AC left with inop IFE and inop BE seats...3hours in...with all systems in cockpit reporting normal...AC went in to pre-stall condtions.bagan shuttering and loosing speed...thanks to AWESOME FO's they saved the day...Pilots said 10seconds more or if they had not noticed,we would have gone into full stall and gone down...Had to switch to alternate systems and declare air emergencyover IRAN for about an hour..unit all was stabalized. Dispatch in ATL tried to send AC out that AM...although KLM mechanics were pulling computers and even the black box. Apparently in the "shift change" in ATL they failed to relay the degree of the situation...OOPs...10 seconds to stal lat 35000 feet and somebody forgot]to say it was important. KUDOS to my pilot sand FA crew and awsome CRM and fantastic respect between FA's and Flight Deck!!! Fantastic professional FA's who NEVER lost thier cool,maitained thier composure,reviewed thier safety procedures and were an ASSET in every way to our profession!!! I amSO proud to fly and workwith people like this.Deadheading home,the working crew had a medical & and because the working crew was busy,my crew got up and assisted !!! 7 days of mechanicals,delays,an almost death defying stall,andmy crew continued with the most SUPERIOR professional serviceandability! I wasproud tobe part ofthat group!!!

[PantLoad]

Please help.....

Please help me understand exactly what happened...to whom....where....what type aircraft....what phase of flight....etc.

Were they landing at McDill, again, when this occurred? Or, were they lost, again, over the Atlantic?

Were they really scared....or just a little scared? Or, were they too clueless to be scared, when they should have been? Question put succinctly: How scared were they? This is the critical question!!!!!

Is being scared part of the SOP for Delta Airlines?

(Hey, I'm just asking a simple question!)

"We're learning to fly, and it shows...."


Fly safe,

PantLoad

[pjd_012]

CXL Flight - DL57 22 April 2011

It appears that the 22 April flight from VABB - EHAM was cancelled. May add some credibility to the rumor.

FlightAware > Delta Air Lines (DL) #57 > 22/Apr/2011 > VABB-EHAM Flight Tracker

22-Apr-2011 A332 Chatrapati Shivaji Int'l (VABB / BOM) Amsterdam Schiphol (EHAM/AMS) 04:30AM IST 09:52AM CEST Cancelled

22-Apr-2011 A332 Amsterdam Schiphol (EHAM/AMS) Detroit Metro Wayne Co (KDTW) 11:02AM CEST 01:47PM EDT Cancelled

[llagonne66]

So, as we are now "sure" the involved A/C is N-registered, the incident will undoubtly (crew feared for their lives and following flight cancelled put such an incident above the threshold for notification) be logged in the April list on the NTSB website :
List by Month

April 22nd incidents are beginning to appear, so let's be patient for some more days !

[Globaliser]

Originally Posted by pjd_012

It appears that the 22 April flight from VABB - EHAM was cancelled. May add some credibility to the rumor.

FlightAware > Delta Air Lines (DL) #57 > 22/Apr/2011 > VABB-EHAM Flight Tracker

22-Apr-2011 A332 Chatrapati Shivaji Int'l (VABB / BOM) Amsterdam Schiphol (EHAM/AMS) 04:30AM IST 09:52AM CEST Cancelled

22-Apr-2011 A332 Amsterdam Schiphol (EHAM/AMS) Detroit Metro Wayne Co (KDTW) 11:02AM CEST 01:47PM EDT Cancelled

More likely to be the following day's flight, as the suggestion is that this happened on a DEL-AMS or BOM-AMS sector. But DL57/22APR had both sectors cancelled, and never departed BOM.

DL57/23APR, however, operated BOM-AMS and then had AMS-DTW cancelled.

DL 57 Landed
BOM Scheduled: 20/04/11 0:45 Actual: 20/04/11 0:38
AMS Scheduled: 20/04/11 6:55 Actual: 20/04/11 6:15
DL 57 Landed
AMS Scheduled: 20/04/11 10:30 Actual: 20/04/11 10:29
DTW Scheduled: 20/04/11 13:15 Actual: 20/04/11 13:25

DL 57 Landed
BOM Scheduled: 21/04/11 0:45 Actual: 21/04/11 0:45
AMS Scheduled: 21/04/11 6:55 Actual: 21/04/11 6:50
DL 57 Landed
AMS Scheduled: 21/04/11 10:30 Actual: 21/04/11 10:28
DTW Scheduled: 21/04/11 13:15 Actual: 21/04/11 12:42

DL 57 Canceled
BOM Scheduled: 22/04/11 0:45 Actual:
AMS Scheduled: 22/04/11 6:55 Actual:
DL 57 Canceled
AMS Scheduled: 22/04/11 10:30 Actual:
DTW Scheduled: 22/04/11 13:15 Actual:

DL 57 Landed
BOM Scheduled: 23/04/11 0:45 Actual: 23/04/11 1:38
AMS Scheduled: 23/04/11 6:55 Actual: 23/04/11 7:16
DL 57 Canceled
AMS Scheduled: 23/04/11 10:30 Actual:
DTW Scheduled: 23/04/11 13:15 Actual:

DL 57 Landed
BOM Scheduled: 24/04/11 0:45 Actual: 24/04/11 0:53
AMS Scheduled: 24/04/11 6:55 Actual: 24/04/11 6:39
DL 57 Landed
AMS Scheduled: 24/04/11 10:30 Actual: 24/04/11 10:17
DTW Scheduled: 24/04/11 13:15 Actual: 24/04/11 13:09

[Black Cloud]

PPRune at it's best!!

Despite the time wasters out there (you know who you are) I am glad that PPRune did what it does best, gets the rumours (in this case the hard facts) out there so that we can all learn from such incidents and hopefully get Air Bus and/or our checklists in order so as to cater for such events and not have another Air France! We need much more information on this event particularly the Human Factors and technical details of the faults if any. Standing by, over.

[BOAC]

Despite the time wasters out there (you know who you are

- yes, we certainly do. Enjoy your 'stand by'. So far PPRune at it's best!! has proved that there apparently was no Delhi-AMS Delta flight, so what now, brown cow?

Not sure why this cluttering up R&N?

[sb_sfo]

Here is a posting from a FacePPRuNe FA friend who was on the flight:

Seems to me that if DL employees are posting this on any sort of public fora, they:

1) Aren't too smart, and

2) Ought to be worried about being hunted down and fired by HR.

411A would have had a field day with this one!

[Abbey Road]

Fantastic professional FA's who NEVER lost thier cool,maitained thier composure,reviewed thier safety procedures and were an ASSET in every way to our profession!!!

I'm still not sure how it is that cabin crew ("FA's") could have had any influence on whether the aircraft stalled or not?

[MagnusP]

By running to the forward galley, thereby altering the trim and making recovery easier?

Well, it makes as much sense as half the posts on this thread.

[Hedge36]

This entire thread reads like a series of Facebook wall posts.

[ehwatezedoing]

Originally Posted by Abbey Road

I'm still not sure how it is that cabin crew ("FA's") could have had any influence on whether the aircraft stalled or not?

Actually, believe it or not it happened one time.
Quebecair Flight 255 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The flight data recorders were recovered soon after the crash. Canadian investigators concluded that shortly after the twin-turboprop airliner lifted off the low pressure impeller from the no. 2 engine burst, causing the forward part of the no. 2 engine to separate. The flight crew were unable to raise the landing gear because debris from the engine damaged the electronic gear selection circuitry. Along with the exposed engine increased drag dramatically on the aeroplane, and the aircraft was unable to climb or maintain altitude during the final turn. The centre of gravity shifted beyond its aft limit due to the engine separation and passenger movement, causing the airspeed to drop below the minimum control speed shortly before the aircraft struck the hillside.

To put it simply, the stewardess (1979 after all) heard that they were a better survival at the rear of an aircraft so she shifted all the passenger to...the rear!



Now, back to this entertaining topic

[golfyankeesierra]

Isn't there any requirement for Delta FAs to be able to write a little bit of English without too many spelling mistakes?

[Gretchenfrage]

She might have been, some time ago.
But she's over 80 now, so give her some slack.

[Tarq57]

To put it simply, the stewardess (1979 after all) heard that they were a better survival at the rear of an aircraft so she shifted all the passenger to...the rear!

I bet she was a stunner.

[arem]

Was she a blonde?

[GarageYears]

So the NTSB is now listing up to April 24th, with no mention of anything Delta related on the 22nd... granted they might add something, but this is continuing to look like one of those "internet hoaxes" that are eventually debunked on Snopes.

[misd-agin]

Since when does getting slow in cruise become a NTSB report?

Top notch FO's saved the day with 10 seconds to go.....how many seconds did it take to slow the '10 secs to go' mark?