Delta A330 Stall/Buffet incident enroute to AMS
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Unless I'm missing something here, nobody has yet confirmed that there even WAS an incident! So before we start saying "let's wait for the findings", etc., let's confirm that there was something to find! 
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To the best of my very limited knowledge: DEL to AMS is served by KLM using an MD-11 most of the time. Delta is only involved via Code Share, so there's no US registered aircraft involved. There are as well 10 A330's in KLM's fleet so we'd have to have more details about this flight.
Thread opener, any more news about this ??
Thread opener, any more news about this ??
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Perhaps you could confirm the registration then, as no one else seems to know it (with various suggestions that it doesn't exist, is only a delta code share or even an MD-11) ?
No contest anymore.
Last year I was reading that A were going to do transparent planes in 2050 (Airbus unveils plans for 'invisible' passenger planes | Mail Online).
Now in early 2011, I hear that B are doing sunroofs already on selcted 737s. Miles ahead.
before elaborating on hearsay and refight our usual A vs B contest.
Last year I was reading that A were going to do transparent planes in 2050 (Airbus unveils plans for 'invisible' passenger planes | Mail Online).
Now in early 2011, I hear that B are doing sunroofs already on selcted 737s. Miles ahead.
but I may be wrong if it's a KLM MD11 !
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I´m an ATCO and worked on the sectors EAST of amsterdam for almost 7 years,I can guarantee you that DAL is flying from ams to somewhere in india (think it´s mumbai but it´s been one year since I´ve left that sector).
It used to be NWA and then switched to DAL...it is now a A330 indeed (flown in codeshare with KLM)but it happens to be fully DAL,with crew and acft from DAL...it used to be with a DC-10 (if I´m not mistaken) and then changed to A330....
no idea whether the incident happened or not but just wanted to tell you that indeed DAL is flying from EHAM to somewhere in india.
It used to be NWA and then switched to DAL...it is now a A330 indeed (flown in codeshare with KLM)but it happens to be fully DAL,with crew and acft from DAL...it used to be with a DC-10 (if I´m not mistaken) and then changed to A330....
no idea whether the incident happened or not but just wanted to tell you that indeed DAL is flying from EHAM to somewhere in india.
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Well, the flight does seem to exist, all thats missing are the details of the alleged event.
Taken from KLM Website:
10:20 Amsterdam
23:00 Mumbai/Bombay
Delta Air Lines
KL6086
10:20 Amsterdam (Schiphol) - 23:00 Mumbai/Bombay (Chhatrapati Shivaji)
Aircraft type: Airbus A330-200
Taken from KLM Website:
10:20 Amsterdam
23:00 Mumbai/Bombay
Delta Air Lines
KL6086
10:20 Amsterdam (Schiphol) - 23:00 Mumbai/Bombay (Chhatrapati Shivaji)
Aircraft type: Airbus A330-200
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Black Cloud never gave us the source of the information. In fact, he/she has gone very quiet. Obviously no one else in the industry has heard about this or I'm sure it would have surfaced by now.
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Just proves how well things can be glossed over when you need to!
I spoke to the cabin crew in AMS. The cabin crew stayed at a different hotel to the TC. 4 Crew with the same story in my books means more than where there's smoke there's fire. This happened in my opinion. The CN was resting and was woken and all reports concur that the two FO's saved the day. Passengers even knew there was trouble. Time for someone to pull their fingers out and put together the rest of the story. Oh, bugger off you chaps with your mindless comments!!!
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So far trying to "put together the rest of the story":
- Delta DEL to AMS doesn't appear to exist except as code share (KL872)
- KL872 is not scheduled with any type of Airbus
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Originally Posted by Black Cloud
Time for someone to pull their fingers out and put together the rest of the story.
As ifl789 says, "flight number and date" would be a starter - perhaps the 'c/crew' know?
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Lots of silliness on here
A little bit of simple research on the internet shows that DL57 is a daily flight which routes BOM -AMS then on to DTW (as DL251) and is usually operated by a DL A330-200
On the morning of 23rd April this flight arrived at AMS at 0710 local time and was operated by DL A330-200 N860NW
So maybe this was the flight in question?
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A little bit of simple research on the internet shows that DL57 is a daily flight which routes BOM -AMS then on to DTW (as DL251) and is usually operated by a DL A330-200
On the morning of 23rd April this flight arrived at AMS at 0710 local time and was operated by DL A330-200 N860NW
So maybe this was the flight in question?
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Or maybe the crew in the bar were so buffeted they couldn't remember where they were operating from ?
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If you read previous posts, there was a suggestion (Post 8) that the original poster (Black Cloud) had got it wrong and that it could have been a flight from Mumbai, not DEL. As has been pointed out by numerous posters, DL do not operate DEL but do from BOM, so it is quite possible that Black Cloud did speak to a DL A330 crew just in from India in a hotel in AMS.
Post 37 asks for hard evidence of an incident. Whilst I don't have any evidence of an incident, I have posted factual details about the DL A330 that arrived in AMS on the morning of 23rd from India which may help in digging around to see if anyone knows any more
Simple as that, nothing else
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If you read previous posts, there was a suggestion (Post 8) that the original poster (Black Cloud) had got it wrong and that it could have been a flight from Mumbai, not DEL. As has been pointed out by numerous posters, DL do not operate DEL but do from BOM, so it is quite possible that Black Cloud did speak to a DL A330 crew just in from India in a hotel in AMS.
Post 37 asks for hard evidence of an incident. Whilst I don't have any evidence of an incident, I have posted factual details about the DL A330 that arrived in AMS on the morning of 23rd from India which may help in digging around to see if anyone knows any more
Simple as that, nothing else
Nitey Night
Suzeman
