US Air Marshals flee Brazil following arrest saga
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And the crew should not know who they are either - that could lead to a potential compromise. However, the times I've flown on US flights, the marsahlls couldn't have been more obvious.
For Roger Dixon:
Care to read the article?
"The plane's crew asked air marshals to intervene."
What's this about American pathos?
I'd like to ask the professional air crew why they would feel a need to ask for air marshal help with a simple case of a rude passenger. If there isn't an air marshal on your flight, what are you to do, stand there and wring your hands? From the remarks I've seen in the CC forum, NO, that isn't what you do.
Anyone care to respond to my question?
rick 1128 seems to have a sensible anaylsis of the situation.
Care to read the article?
"The plane's crew asked air marshals to intervene."
What's this about American pathos?
I'd like to ask the professional air crew why they would feel a need to ask for air marshal help with a simple case of a rude passenger. If there isn't an air marshal on your flight, what are you to do, stand there and wring your hands? From the remarks I've seen in the CC forum, NO, that isn't what you do.
Anyone care to respond to my question?
rick 1128 seems to have a sensible anaylsis of the situation.
Why isn't the alleged drunken, belligerent woman standing in front of her husband, not naked but in chains.
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Might give the Brazilian media something to write about
From what I read the signs were there that they were going to get really ******.
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If the skymarshalls had the authority to arrest the woman in their jurisdiction, then they must accept the Brasil authority jurisdiction to detail them.
It works both ways and it is not for the detained to be the judge.
Running away makes them criminals.
It works both ways and it is not for the detained to be the judge.
Running away makes them criminals.
Since when was an inebriated lady helping herself to another gin and tonic, however inappropriately, an "act of terrorism?"
Guess they got bored sitting around doing nothing. Another example of American pathos.
Guess they got bored sitting around doing nothing. Another example of American pathos.
Doesn't seem to say anywhere that the 2 Marshalls were the only 2 on the flight hence someone using a stooge could find there were only 2 or 10 depending on a risk scenario done beforehand.
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I think these guys had a very good reason to intervene with the whacked out drunk woman who happened to be a Brazilian judges wife. Justice in Brazil is a joke. Don't even go to that corrupt country. Barbados is much safer and saner. Skip the next summer olympics unless you can bring a gun for protection. The Brazilian government can not control their muggers so plan to be mugged. My friend just lost his 2,000 dollar watch there with a gun held to him. He was a crewmember so knew the risks.
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This is probably one story we'll never read the end of... Too bad.
The problem is, they didn't stick around to make their point. Curious to know whether it was their own initiative or they were told to get out.
Bad thing in all of this is, now the world knows, if a FAM has done something even remotely suspicious, throw them in jail first to keep them from leaving... Short term benefit for the FAMs here. But long term?
and the word of the wife of a Brazilian Judge OF COURSE trumps whatever two American law officers would say
Bad thing in all of this is, now the world knows, if a FAM has done something even remotely suspicious, throw them in jail first to keep them from leaving... Short term benefit for the FAMs here. But long term?
There are some interesting jurisdictional questions:
Did the incident for which she was apprehended take place in Brazilian airspace?
Can the woman be charged under Brazilian law for actions aboard a US a/c outside Brazilian airspace?
Are the FAMs required to remain in Brazil to testify at the woman's trial if she happens to have been charged by Brazilian authorities?
Mind you, I am confident that if she is not charged in Brazil that the FBI will be only too happy to put the cuffs on her she happen to be found stateside -- and that the FAMs will show up to testify
Did the incident for which she was apprehended take place in Brazilian airspace?
Can the woman be charged under Brazilian law for actions aboard a US a/c outside Brazilian airspace?
Are the FAMs required to remain in Brazil to testify at the woman's trial if she happens to have been charged by Brazilian authorities?
Mind you, I am confident that if she is not charged in Brazil that the FBI will be only too happy to put the cuffs on her she happen to be found stateside -- and that the FAMs will show up to testify
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My friend just lost his 2,000 dollar watch there with a gun held to him. He was a crewmember so knew the risks.
WAKEUP air marshals have no power in other soverign countrys, same as a a ordinary person slapping handcuffs on another civilian. I personally think there should be international stanards.
Your idiot friend hopefully has better situal awareness in his aircraft than the playground it lost it's toy in.
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Did the incident for which she was apprehended take place in Brazilian airspace?
Can the woman be charged under Brazilian law for actions aboard a US a/c outside Brazilian airspace?
Are the FAMs required to remain in Brazil to testify at the woman's trial if she happens to have been charged by Brazilian authorities?
My friend just lost his 2,000 dollar watch there with a gun held to him. He was a crewmember so knew the risks.
The reason the FAMs had their passports retained is quite simple. The woman filed a complaint of assault on arrival, and there was eyewitness testimony that excessive force was used during incident. How reliable such testimony was and who provided it is another matter, but the police were obliged to investigate both complaints, and to do so they required the presence of the FAMs. Fleeing raises the suspicion that there may have been a case to answer.
Some here are seriously overestimating the influence of a Federal judge and his ability to interfere in such cases. This woman is a typical self-important windbag type of Brazilian with an overinflated sense of her own importance who got what she deserved, but that doesn't mean that she or her husband have any leverage over criminal proceedings.
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Presumably American marshalls travelling on international flights disembark with all the other passengers so as not to identify themselves, pass through the arrival country's passport and customs controls, and maybe have a period of rest before checking in for their return flight, and going back through airport security. How do they manage this if they have guns? Or do they go into a transit lounge? Surely they don't remain on the aircraft during its turnaround?
Do you really think it sensible to ask such questions, or to expect accurate answers?
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Fair point, Sallyann1234. I just don't see how armed marshalls can maintain anonymity - in which case the fact that they revealed themselves on the flight to Brazil through intervening is less serious.