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TK crew did not /forgot to raise the gear ???

Old 20th Oct 2010, 14:05
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"The towcrew should not remove gearpins or install them, that's a techjob."
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Old 20th Oct 2010, 14:12
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Angry TK 737 Tailstrike

Hi,
Anybody heard about the Turkish 737 that had a tailstrike on T/O?
Rumour, from good sources, the training Captain was in Command and let an unqualified trainee pilot occupy the right seat and perform the Takeoff on a scheduled flight with the qualified F/O relegated to the the jump seat. Subsequently resulting in a tailstrike.

I wonder if Star Alliance would be happy if its true.
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Old 20th Oct 2010, 15:53
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Contractor, my point exactly. Some tug drivers have been known to be impatient and "help out" . The pin in question was a rogue and traced to it's owner.

As BOAC put it so veeeerrrry very neatly. "A wise man checks the holes", not the pins. I was fortunate and became a little bit wiser due to my colleagues misfortune. I freely confess I would most likely have missed a non flagged pin on this particular type. The nose gear doors are virtually flush with the hole and require a specific look, so easy to miss, in the dark, on earlies, again, in the cold and wet, and you've already seen 3 pins in the flight deck check before you left the warm and dry.

I merely pass it on so other others might not get caught.
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Old 20th Oct 2010, 18:35
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I am sure that TK have taken notice of your intention of never, ever flying with them again.

I very much doubt that the possible loss of your future business will have made the slightest difference to THY (or anyone else for that matter).

It certainly would not have made a single bit of difference to my life but please keep on thinking that you are hugely important to the airlines of the world.
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Old 20th Oct 2010, 19:27
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and you must not use the FMS for predicting the fuel burn.
o really ?

unless you are still occupied by your "occupation", pls tell us why ignore FMS here ?

actuall GS and actuall FF shall be correct and true as much as every other day
 
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Not wanting to muddy the waters too much here, but the 737NG NNC for 'Landing Gear will not move up after Takeoff' specifies-

"Note: Do not use FMC fuel predictions"

That is before actioning any of the checklist items!

I suspect it may have some importance!

I know Airbus do things differently (or is it Boeing) but I would wager that there are some common areas where all pilots regardless of caste will come unstuck!

Perhaps LFF was not specific enough.
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Old 20th Oct 2010, 22:50
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Gear Pin Roulette

Three pins isn't enough. Three flags isn't enough. NASA says so.

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Old 22nd Oct 2010, 11:18
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o really ?

unless you are still occupied by your "occupation", pls tell us why ignore FMS here ?

actuall GS and actuall FF shall be correct and true as much as every other day
From FCOM 2.04.25:

LIMITATIONS
– Do not fly into expected icing conditions.
– Ditching with the landing gear down has not been demonstrated.
– Disregard FM fuel predictions. Other predictions should also be disregarded (altitude,
speed and time), except time predictions at waypoints when in cruise.
– Do not use managed speed (except in approach) and CLB and DES autopilot modes.
– ALTITUDE ALERT is not available.
– The APU must run during the whole flight. APU GEN must be available.
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Old 24th Oct 2010, 18:32
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TK seem to be having more than their fair share at the moment....

Colleague waiting in BRU today called a couple of hours ago to say he is delayed as one of their A340's had a pod-strike/scrape on landing this morning and pax are waiting for a replacement aircraft.

Too much growth too quickly ???
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Old 24th Oct 2010, 19:17
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dare I refer that remark to the recent threads on crew experience ? never say never, but fast track crew often learn the hard way (as does everyone involved in this business .. preferrably by reading what happenned to someone else and learning from it !!!)
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Old 25th Oct 2010, 08:43
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Gear pins are wirelocked into position on gear down ferry flights with flags removed on 146/rj/ dash 8 s ,its stated in mel and amm, ive had to do it and certify it on quite a few occasions , i also seem to recall doing the same on 737-200. Performance limitations are given for flight crew too.
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Old 25th Oct 2010, 09:09
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FMS Fuel Prediction

“Do not use FMS fuel predictions”. Quite simple, really - just don’t. However, it does not say that you cannot use the FMS for other information (be assured, if you could not, Mr Boeing most certainly would have said so). Therefore use what information you can get and make your own prediction – after all, most of us (even most Ppruners!) have some brains.
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Angry Amsterdam 2

It will happen, i say this from the inside!! watch this spaces.
Reason:
Lack of communication skill in all areas
Huge lack of English skills, ask any European controller
Lack of training, only box ticking
Lack of knowledge of systems
Huge man and boy attitude.
In some cases total disregard for checklists and SOP's

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