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TK crew did not /forgot to raise the gear ???

Old 11th Oct 2010, 12:36
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TK crew did not /forgot to raise the gear ???

A friend sent a mail saying that a TK A319 took off in IST for a domestic flight and did not/forget to raise the gear???

The airplane climbed to FL230 and had to land half way to refuel.
After that they continued to their original destination (uneventfully).

Might have been a sys failure but why would they continue if they just left the main base?

Fishy story? But also published on a Turkish aviation forum.
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Given that the crew decided to re-fuel halfway to their destination, I very much doubt they forgot to raise the gear. More likely is a technical fault requiring the gear to be left down for the transit flight. This could happen for a number of reasons.

A gear left down will consume about 80% more fuel, therefore, and unlike the Dutch 757, one needs to be very careful about fuel consumption and you must not use the FMS for predicting the fuel burn.
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Post suggests that crew 'forgot' to raise the gear.
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Did you mean this German Airbus one:
Hapag-Lloyd Flight 3378 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


or was there a Dutch 757 as welll
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That's the one I meant Starbear.
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Of course, it would be stating the obvious to say that if they forgot to take the gear pins out....................

It wouldn't be the first time such a thing has happened.
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Gotta be pins...someone's gonna have a big red face somewhere...!

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May a member of the SLF ask a question here?

Even from my point of view, I'd be very sceptical that the gear could ever be "forgotten" by the crew. From back where I have to sit, it's always extremely obvious when the gear is down because of the extra noise and vibration. I know the flight deck is farther away from the main gear (but not the nose gear) but can you tell me if having the gear down is as obvious up where you sit?

I've been very interested to read the various speculations on why they gear may have stayed down (if the rumour is even true) for operational reasons or external mistakes though.

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U/C pins ?

Excuse my ignorance only being an ex RAF engine fitter but do they put undercarriage pins in on civilian aircraft & does it generally apply to all/most aircraft ?? Paul H.
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pins...

zetec2:

Yes, at our place we do. There is also a rack in the FD where they are stowed so you always have a look at that, and one of the pre-start checklist items is:

gear pins............3 stowed

So you have a couple of opportunities to catch out any errant pins - the first and foremost being the walk-around of course....

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I've heard of it being done on go-arounds where workloads high, and the PNF misses the positive climb call, if you don't get the trigger then it's very easy to miss the item completely.
What with desperately trying not to overspeed flaps, monitoring speed/rate of climb/missed app procedure/radio's etc your brain might not register the extra noise I guess.

That being said to reach FL230 and not notice?! I know on my type you certainly wouldn't get the acceleration you'd be expecting, even in the initial climb, with the gear down so you'd start looking around for the cause..

Zetec2 from my experience most civi commercial aircraft have pins fitted but they're normally only put in place when the aircrafts in the hangar or being towed.
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I had two similar occasions on 320/family


- hot break warning after gear retraction
- LGCIU fault

very simple, keep cool
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They stopped to refuel then completed the journey uneventfully. Was gear retracted on second leg? Just asking...
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I've done gear down ferries, although I don't think they're approved (in UK) with passengers aboard. As for having the pins in, that's a no-no. What happens if an engine fails? Better to raise the gear and maybe not be able to lower it again than crash off the end of the runway because of lack of climb performance.
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Never forget one of our 321's getting off the ground with water in the 'weight on wheel' sensors. Not only would the gear not retract, but the computers went bonkers (as one would imagine given the machine thought it was on terra firma).
Being the nosey git that I am, I had a nose on the FD......the ECAM was full of red....

Speaking to the pilots, they both said how surprised they were when they selected gear up and the computers had one heck of a 'moment'!!

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ref post #13

LGCIU fault

s... happens
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Old 11th Oct 2010, 20:05
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What about the 146 that (allegedly) got airborne from LGW with a flightdeck full of management/training pilots and found they couldn't get the gear up because the pins were still in?

Rumour had it that one bright spark wanted to continue to Innsbruck before wiser heads prevailed!
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U/C pins

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Thanks for the info re u/c pins, never to old to learn something new, PH.
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Rumour had it that one bright spark wanted to continue to Innsbruck before wiser heads prevailed!
Would that have been the fleet manager and a line trainer over riding the chief pilot?
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