Ryanair flight hits 'turbulence'. 3 injured. Emergency landing
I've been a passenger on 591 flights in 12 years; 99% of which have been with Lufthansa. Only on 4 occasions has my luggage failed to turn up on time, but it has always appeared within a day. So I would say that 'leakage' is less of a problem than the inconvenience of delayed luggage - or waiting at the carousel, perhaps?
Only once did my case seem to have been interfered with - lock broken and contents disturbed, but nothing missing. Or 'extra'...
Normal airlines charge irrespective of whether you use your hold allowance or not. Before the current paranoia, I would often use a 'cabin legal' weekend case, but no longer as there'd bound to be something in it which the security people didn't like. But if LoCos charge 'extra' for use of the hold, obviously people will try to manage with overweight luggage squeezed into overhead bins - which becomes dangerous in turbulence.
One of Ryanair's better ideas is their 'approved' cabin bag - it looks quite smart and doesn't break any rules. Unless, that is, it is overweight.
The sadly-missed buzz had one flaw - the size of cabin baggage which they would allow was much smaller than the 'total of 115cm' industry norm. Far smaller than Ryanair or EasyJet were permitting at the time. So they carried quite a lot of hold luggage, which slowed turnround times and limited their scheduling. Ryanair use the same size limits as Lufthansa, but their weight allowance is 10kg rather than the 8kg permitted by Lufthansa. They also require everything (including duty free shop purchases, handbags, cameras etc) to be carried in one item of cabin baggage. Whereas legacy carriers normally allow some small extras, such as duty free shop purchases, coats, cameras in addition.
Also, the seat pitch on Lufthansa is 32" in Economy and on ba it is 31". Whereas it is 30" on Ryanair aircraft and only 29" on EasyJet - so the opportunity for stowing 'heavy or bulky items' under the seat in front is probably less than it is on legacy carriers. Hence the risk from injury caused by overweight luggage bursting out of overhead lockers is inherently higher on LoCos than on legacy carriers.
Only once did my case seem to have been interfered with - lock broken and contents disturbed, but nothing missing. Or 'extra'...
Normal airlines charge irrespective of whether you use your hold allowance or not. Before the current paranoia, I would often use a 'cabin legal' weekend case, but no longer as there'd bound to be something in it which the security people didn't like. But if LoCos charge 'extra' for use of the hold, obviously people will try to manage with overweight luggage squeezed into overhead bins - which becomes dangerous in turbulence.
One of Ryanair's better ideas is their 'approved' cabin bag - it looks quite smart and doesn't break any rules. Unless, that is, it is overweight.
The sadly-missed buzz had one flaw - the size of cabin baggage which they would allow was much smaller than the 'total of 115cm' industry norm. Far smaller than Ryanair or EasyJet were permitting at the time. So they carried quite a lot of hold luggage, which slowed turnround times and limited their scheduling. Ryanair use the same size limits as Lufthansa, but their weight allowance is 10kg rather than the 8kg permitted by Lufthansa. They also require everything (including duty free shop purchases, handbags, cameras etc) to be carried in one item of cabin baggage. Whereas legacy carriers normally allow some small extras, such as duty free shop purchases, coats, cameras in addition.
Also, the seat pitch on Lufthansa is 32" in Economy and on ba it is 31". Whereas it is 30" on Ryanair aircraft and only 29" on EasyJet - so the opportunity for stowing 'heavy or bulky items' under the seat in front is probably less than it is on legacy carriers. Hence the risk from injury caused by overweight luggage bursting out of overhead lockers is inherently higher on LoCos than on legacy carriers.
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as I was saying....
Ref: my previous post - my baggage has disappeared in Dubai. IC claim EK ground handing at DHI failed to transfer the bags to them.
So, I'm in borrowed socks and underwear, with a borrowed tripod, a borrowed light kit... and managing without all the other stuff that is sitting in a godown in Delhi.
fortunately, because I charmed and cajoled my way through four airports (bullying doesn't work) and got away with carrying my camera kit and laptop onto the plane, I can work. Not as well as I could, but I can manage.
If I'd stuck to the rules on this, my client would currently be wasting USD2000 a day. And a rather important story wouldn't be being covered...
So, I'm in borrowed socks and underwear, with a borrowed tripod, a borrowed light kit... and managing without all the other stuff that is sitting in a godown in Delhi.
fortunately, because I charmed and cajoled my way through four airports (bullying doesn't work) and got away with carrying my camera kit and laptop onto the plane, I can work. Not as well as I could, but I can manage.
If I'd stuck to the rules on this, my client would currently be wasting USD2000 a day. And a rather important story wouldn't be being covered...
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With reference to complaining to the IA or CAA about the bags, just ask the crew for an Air Safety Report form. All aircraft are required to carry blank forms in the documents wallet, normally on the flight deck. I believe ANY interested person can fill them out even passengers. It has boxes for all the relevant details to completely identify everyone involved. Take a photo of the offending bags, fill the form out and send it to the regulator. Keep a copy yourself. You could even tick the box marking it as a Mandatory Occurence Report, which puts it up another notch.
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What a strange thing to say. Putting people next to emergency exits who are physically incapable or insufficiently mature to fulfill their required role is absolutely clearly a safety hazard. Read some reports of evacuation-critical accidents - this kind of thing unquestionably puts lives at risk. Far more than all the PED lunacy currently enforced like mobile phones were the very instruments of the devil himself.
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Only the ultimate airline gets the ultimate passenger award.
Now that FR has teamed up with Samsonite the suggested changes to cabin baggage will create a cry akin to the premier league kit changing arguments. Every so often FR will give PAX 6 months advance notice to change their Ryanair approved hand baggage to conform to their new standards.
Now that FR has teamed up with Samsonite the suggested changes to cabin baggage will create a cry akin to the premier league kit changing arguments. Every so often FR will give PAX 6 months advance notice to change their Ryanair approved hand baggage to conform to their new standards.
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They don't just make money from bags in the hold. They presumably also save money by not having to pay so much for loading contracts (fewer bags to be loaded).
Why are OH bins and hang luggage guages different shapes? Perhaps someone should design a bag to fit the bin not the guage? or the other way around? At least make them the same so bags pack better into the bins with less waste/unusable space.
Why are OH bins and hang luggage guages different shapes? Perhaps someone should design a bag to fit the bin not the guage? or the other way around? At least make them the same so bags pack better into the bins with less waste/unusable space.
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Reading the last post on this thread, I noted that at the bottom of the page is an ad for Easyjet, and it says 'No weight limit on hand-baggage!'.
This is just ridiculous. It can't be long before someone is killed by a heavy item falling from an OHL. I'm astonished it hasn't happened already. It's not only in turbulence that pax have to worry - people often can't properly lift the luggage they've been happily wheeling round the airport. I've occasionally had to take evasive action when someone dropped a heavy load they were trying to get into / out of the bins. Often it takes TWO people to lift the case. How can it possibly be safe to have an object that heavy just above your head?
If the hand-luggage trend continues, airlines should move towards the arrangement you get on non-commuter trains, with separate areas for bulky luggage. I mean, they've even got such a facility on the buses that take you from the car-park to the terminal building!
Or perhaps passengers should be encouraged to wear helmets?
This is just ridiculous. It can't be long before someone is killed by a heavy item falling from an OHL. I'm astonished it hasn't happened already. It's not only in turbulence that pax have to worry - people often can't properly lift the luggage they've been happily wheeling round the airport. I've occasionally had to take evasive action when someone dropped a heavy load they were trying to get into / out of the bins. Often it takes TWO people to lift the case. How can it possibly be safe to have an object that heavy just above your head?
If the hand-luggage trend continues, airlines should move towards the arrangement you get on non-commuter trains, with separate areas for bulky luggage. I mean, they've even got such a facility on the buses that take you from the car-park to the terminal building!
Or perhaps passengers should be encouraged to wear helmets?
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A decade ago, this might have worked (some pax might well prefer it), but these days the security regime will put too many hurdles (including 1 bag only) in the way of it.
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They had just that on the Iljusjin 96 I traveled on in China some time back. Huge shelfs in the basement for luggage. Saved you hauling them up the stairs to the main deck.
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If the hand-luggage trend continues, airlines should move towards the arrangement you get on non-commuter trains, with separate areas for bulky luggage. I mean, they've even got such a facility on the buses that take you from the car-park to the terminal building!
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easyJet state:
To my mind, that is madness. Ryanair's policy is considerably safer!
Save where the limits set locally are more restrictive, passengers are permitted one standard piece of hand baggage to a volume limit of 56x45x25cm (including wheels and pockets) (“Standard Hand Baggage”). It must fit without force into the gauges provided at check-in or departure gates. No weight restriction applies within reasonable limits — i.e. a passenger must be able to place the piece of luggage safely in the overhead storage bins without assistance.
In addition to the “Standard Hand Baggage” you may also carry:
(a) one of the following: An overcoat; an umbrella, or a shawl; and
(b) one standard size carrier bag of goods purchased from the departure airport.
In addition to the “Standard Hand Baggage” you may also carry:
(a) one of the following: An overcoat; an umbrella, or a shawl; and
(b) one standard size carrier bag of goods purchased from the departure airport.
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Problem is "Private Flier", when you've been a "Professional Flier" for 35 years making sure you stick to the rules it is rather difficult when presented with others that ignore the rules and put your safety at risk!
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There's no doubt Michael O'Leary will learn from this incident:
Passengers who were injured due to not having their seatbelts fastened will surely ask 'Why am I contributing to the cost of seatbelts when I'm not personally getting the benefits?'
Obvious solution: coin-op seatbelts...
Passengers who were injured due to not having their seatbelts fastened will surely ask 'Why am I contributing to the cost of seatbelts when I'm not personally getting the benefits?'
Obvious solution: coin-op seatbelts...
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They don't just make money from bags in the hold. They presumably also save money by not having to pay so much for loading contracts (fewer bags to be loaded).
That is exactly the issue. MOL hates paying airports anything. He would happily abolish baggage loading altogether and have pax carry and load their own stuff whether in hold or cabin. Ryanair Will Abolish Checked Luggage to Reduce Costs | I Hate Ryanair
A decade ago, this might have worked (some pax might well prefer it), but these days the security regime will put too many hurdles (including 1 bag only) in the way of it.
This makes perfect sense for both Ryanair AND the airports.
Now that SLF (or crew) can take dangerous substances such as water etc with them they are simply forced to purchase these airside which is good for airports' profits.
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They don't just make money from bags in the hold. They presumably also save money by not having to pay so much for loading contracts (fewer bags to be loaded).
That is exactly the issue. MOL hates paying airports anything. He would happily abolish baggage loading altogether and have pax carry and load their own stuff whether in hold or cabin. Ryanair Will Abolish Checked Luggage to Reduce Costs | I Hate Ryanair
A decade ago, this might have worked (some pax might well prefer it), but these days the security regime will put too many hurdles (including 1 bag only) in the way of it.
Now that SLF (or crew) can take dangerous substances such as water etc with them they are simply forced to purchase these airside which is good for airports' profits.
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Surely the more people who carry hand baggage the greater work load on security screening and these higher costs are paid for by the PAX through the price they pay for their tickets.
What happens when there is not sufficient storage space on board these days?
Regarding the turbulence issue my understanding is that the type of object hitting you is more important than the weight. Smaller hard objects do more damage than larger softer objects. Which seems to suggest it doesn't really matter if it is 7kg or 10 kg then but the type of material?
What happens when there is not sufficient storage space on board these days?
Regarding the turbulence issue my understanding is that the type of object hitting you is more important than the weight. Smaller hard objects do more damage than larger softer objects. Which seems to suggest it doesn't really matter if it is 7kg or 10 kg then but the type of material?
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The flying public demand cheap flying, why are they so surprised when cheap means unsafe and when cheap means uncomfortable.
One problem I have is that when I go somewhere I want a comfy flight where I am treated like a fare paying passenger etc. I just can't get these flights. we seem to be in a position where the ONLY flights I can get are 'cheapies'.
You try googling a flight to anywhere and you will ONLY get details of 'cheap' flights.
So I am only able to go somewhere where I can get Club class which excludes anywhere but the major cities of the world.
What's the point of going away on holiday and spending one fifth of the time with hundreds of chavs all being treated like cattle - with no alternative!
On reflection, maybe we get what we deserve?
One problem I have is that when I go somewhere I want a comfy flight where I am treated like a fare paying passenger etc. I just can't get these flights. we seem to be in a position where the ONLY flights I can get are 'cheapies'.
You try googling a flight to anywhere and you will ONLY get details of 'cheap' flights.
So I am only able to go somewhere where I can get Club class which excludes anywhere but the major cities of the world.
What's the point of going away on holiday and spending one fifth of the time with hundreds of chavs all being treated like cattle - with no alternative!
On reflection, maybe we get what we deserve?
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Ryanair are one of eruope's safest airlines. They have the youngest fleet of a/c in europe and safty is importent. If a a/c has a samll tec problem but it's safe to fly the a/c ryanair will still not let it.
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Ryanair are one of eruope's safest airlines. They have the youngest fleet of a/c in europe and safty is importent. If a a/c has a samll tec problem but it's safe to fly the a/c ryanair will still not let it.
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One problem I have is that when I go somewhere I want a comfy flight where I am treated like a fare paying passenger etc. I just can't get these flights. we seem to be in a position where the ONLY flights I can get are 'cheapies'.