Jetblue Airbus blows tires/ EVAC at Sacramento
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exeng...I like your motto...mistrust in management!
and others, I've just read that JETBLUE itself will take the lead in the investigation. this is disturbing to me, an independent body should do this sort of thing and report to all of us.
andy98...I truly think the air tours tragedy and the jetblue situation are very different.
and others, I've just read that JETBLUE itself will take the lead in the investigation. this is disturbing to me, an independent body should do this sort of thing and report to all of us.
andy98...I truly think the air tours tragedy and the jetblue situation are very different.
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AS to aquadalte's comment. I was just offering what my airbus pilot friend said...I don't claim to know the 'bus. I took a substantial pay cut to avoid flying the bus and I'm still glad I did.
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I was about to pitch in a rather well circulated theory re: hard landings, but you have activated a more important pose, and thank you. At some point, as Burkill and Sully both found out, with different outcomes, at some point the a/c gets an avalanche of focus, then...... well, it always ends up in the pilot's lap anyway. I still think the slides were overwhelmingly indicated given the evidence that has unfolded. You should see the pool of molten magnesium. (not melted by now, of course.)
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I was about to pitch in a rather well circulated theory re: hard landings, but you have activated a more important pose, and thank you. At some point, as Burkill and Sully both found out, with different outcomes, at some point the a/c gets an avalanche of focus, then...... well, it always ends up in the pilot's lap anyway. I still think the slides were overwhelmingly indicated given the evidence that has unfolded. You should see the pool of molten magnesium. (not melted by now, of course.)
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Bear,
You're absolutely right. It is extraordinary how a pilot can drop from "hero to zero" in no time. I think that we, as professionals, should preserve our fellow mates from public and uninformed trials, thence preserving also the dignity of our profession.
You're absolutely right. It is extraordinary how a pilot can drop from "hero to zero" in no time. I think that we, as professionals, should preserve our fellow mates from public and uninformed trials, thence preserving also the dignity of our profession.
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fairness aquad?
fine:
is it fair to say that it took way too long to clear the runway.
that other airlines offered to help, but because of jetblue's way of doing business they didn't have the needed items to expedite the process.
is it fair to say, that IF the pilots made a mistake, deliberate or otherwise, that their judgement on all aspects of the flight comes into question...including the evacuation?
fairness indeed. and my airbus pal indicated to me that doing anything ''not in the manual'' is just asking for trouble.
we shall see.
wonder if these two guys will have their contract renewed? jet blue has different sort of contract system...nothing like a regular union carrier.
fine:
is it fair to say that it took way too long to clear the runway.
that other airlines offered to help, but because of jetblue's way of doing business they didn't have the needed items to expedite the process.
is it fair to say, that IF the pilots made a mistake, deliberate or otherwise, that their judgement on all aspects of the flight comes into question...including the evacuation?
fairness indeed. and my airbus pal indicated to me that doing anything ''not in the manual'' is just asking for trouble.
we shall see.
wonder if these two guys will have their contract renewed? jet blue has different sort of contract system...nothing like a regular union carrier.
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I just think that it is more likely to find molten plugs rather than magnesium, but as you say, most info is second hand and inexact.
I just read about a 747 that aborted and blew 10 tires...and they didn't use the slides.
but ...oh well like you say
I just read about a 747 that aborted and blew 10 tires...and they didn't use the slides.
but ...oh well like you say
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I know what let's do, let's ask the Passengers. Anybody want to bet against me that not one of those people is not grateful for the slide ride? Thought not. I have smelled tires burning, seen flames and smoke that looks like it came out of Hell, (In drills). Watch the 340 RTO Test flight and listen carefully to the Training Captain
"Merde" means "****" in French. And Although they were almost screaming like babies, I heard "L'Escaliers! L'Escaliers". (Stairs). Oh and those firefighters looked like screaming mimis when the Michelins exploded too. It isn't because they were fearful for no reason. They had the look of people who didn't care to die to save AB's tire budget. Seasoned pros, every man Jack of them. The ninnies I don't get are the ones who haven't caught on, and rummage around the overhead to retrieve bath soap or some crap. Well, not the French......
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PTH What means "Clear the runway"? Do you mean taxi off the active? I've explained the parts list it took just to get the a/c mobile, with some major help from UAL. You can't mean Taxi off the RW. If you do, I'll post the list here. Also, if a blunder put them in the weeds, OK, but that doesn't mean they can't recover and save the humans. This is getting old.
"Merde" means "****" in French. And Although they were almost screaming like babies, I heard "L'Escaliers! L'Escaliers". (Stairs). Oh and those firefighters looked like screaming mimis when the Michelins exploded too. It isn't because they were fearful for no reason. They had the look of people who didn't care to die to save AB's tire budget. Seasoned pros, every man Jack of them. The ninnies I don't get are the ones who haven't caught on, and rummage around the overhead to retrieve bath soap or some crap. Well, not the French......
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PTH What means "Clear the runway"? Do you mean taxi off the active? I've explained the parts list it took just to get the a/c mobile, with some major help from UAL. You can't mean Taxi off the RW. If you do, I'll post the list here. Also, if a blunder put them in the weeds, OK, but that doesn't mean they can't recover and save the humans. This is getting old.
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clear the runway, in this situation meant to remove the stricken aircraft safely from the runway allowing it to be repaired (the runway) to restore the airport to full operation.
as for asking the passengers, why not ask them if they would prefer cheaper fairs, better looking FA's , and NOT BEING INVOLVED IN THIS INCIDENT AT ALL.
clear the runway, in this situation meant to remove the stricken aircraft safely from the runway allowing it to be repaired (the runway) to restore the airport to full operation.
as for asking the passengers, why not ask them if they would prefer cheaper fairs, better looking FA's , and NOT BEING INVOLVED IN THIS INCIDENT AT ALL.
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Still don't get it, do you pth?
I'm not speaking of clearing the runway, or about Blue procedures..
I'm speaking about the consideration any pilot deserves from his fellow mates, and the right to be treated fairly (at least before) the investigation comes to a conclusion.
Shouldn't that apply to ALL aircraft types?
You should know that.
I'm not speaking of clearing the runway, or about Blue procedures..
I'm speaking about the consideration any pilot deserves from his fellow mates, and the right to be treated fairly (at least before) the investigation comes to a conclusion.
and my airbus pal indicated to me that doing anything ''not in the manual'' is just asking for trouble.
You should know that.
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Everything was gone up to and including the axles. UAL had to ferry air bags up from God knows where, They worked under lights all night, not wanting to damage the Bird any further, and no one could find a second axle.
SMF can do pretty ok with one Runway, and they did. After everybody's ok and Blood Pressure goes down, the Bitching is over, people get along and show the professionalism our Industry is known for when things go pear. It is what it is, and I think everyone knows it except you. I acknowledged what I thought was your rationale, and stood with you, and would again. But I am done here
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SMF can do pretty ok with one Runway, and they did. After everybody's ok and Blood Pressure goes down, the Bitching is over, people get along and show the professionalism our Industry is known for when things go pear. It is what it is, and I think everyone knows it except you. I acknowledged what I thought was your rationale, and stood with you, and would again. But I am done here
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>>>UAL had to ferry air bags up from God knows where
Probably from their SFO MX base...
It's fortunate that JBU had this happen in Cali-4-nyah, as with most anywhere elese, the local Joe Patroni wouold have plowed it off the runway by now...
Probably from their SFO MX base...
It's fortunate that JBU had this happen in Cali-4-nyah, as with most anywhere elese, the local Joe Patroni wouold have plowed it off the runway by now...
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How much smoke do 4/8(?) tires that are on fire put out? I've seen rubber burn, it can be very impressive.
Is that smoke entering the packs?
With no actual knowledge of what the crew information had at the time of the event how can you say "don't evacuate" from a safe distance?
California is the second largest state by population(?). Nice deflection.
Is that smoke entering the packs?
With no actual knowledge of what the crew information had at the time of the event how can you say "don't evacuate" from a safe distance?
California is the second largest state by population(?). Nice deflection.
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California does have the most people, it is #1 in population. Not likely to lose the honor, any time soon. Entry level survival, including Healthcare, cash, shelter and Mexican Food is absolutely free. Hell, If I did not already live here, and I was down on my luck, I would move here asap.
Yesterday, a friend called me and said he found a four hundred dollar surfboard on the Beach. It was old, and the leash was missing, but it was a keeper, so I guess now even The most popular sport comes freebie. Sheesh.(it was a Thruster)
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California does have the most people, it is #1 in population. Not likely to lose the honor, any time soon. Entry level survival, including Healthcare, cash, shelter and Mexican Food is absolutely free. Hell, If I did not already live here, and I was down on my luck, I would move here asap.
Yesterday, a friend called me and said he found a four hundred dollar surfboard on the Beach. It was old, and the leash was missing, but it was a keeper, so I guess now even The most popular sport comes freebie. Sheesh.(it was a Thruster)
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california has been the largest state (population) for many , many years. it has the most congressmen, and the largest economy.
many,many years ago that honor might have gone to the great state of New York.
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and now, a message from our sponsor:
So, there you are, pushing back, starting engines and the mechanic/ground guy, whatever your airline calls it, says on the interphone: YOU'VE GOT A FIRE IN THE TAILPIPE OF NUMBER TWO.
your reaction:
1. Shut down number two, cutoff fuel and pull fire handle...and then shoot the fire extinguisher to number two!
2. or do something else.
I'd like to know.
and the reason is part of the evacuation equation.
california has been the largest state (population) for many , many years. it has the most congressmen, and the largest economy.
many,many years ago that honor might have gone to the great state of New York.
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and now, a message from our sponsor:
So, there you are, pushing back, starting engines and the mechanic/ground guy, whatever your airline calls it, says on the interphone: YOU'VE GOT A FIRE IN THE TAILPIPE OF NUMBER TWO.
your reaction:
1. Shut down number two, cutoff fuel and pull fire handle...and then shoot the fire extinguisher to number two!
2. or do something else.
I'd like to know.
and the reason is part of the evacuation equation.