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....than the workers who are directly involved in getting the plane from point A to B.
Very experienced Captains...the exception.
The sooner pilots realise this, the better.
Some never do of course, and can be wound up like a cheap watch by ALPO etc.
The airline marketing manager is far more important...no bums in seats, pilots and ground engineers... not needed.
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let me re phrase:
how much are you willing to go on strike for? use 737ng as a guide or any plane you like.
if SPIRIT gets 185 an hour...should American get 220? for example
Without pilots there is no airline...we need mechanics, dispatchers, fa's and the myriad of people to make things work...but without pilots everyone else can stay home.
how much are you willing to go on strike for? use 737ng as a guide or any plane you like.
if SPIRIT gets 185 an hour...should American get 220? for example
Without pilots there is no airline...we need mechanics, dispatchers, fa's and the myriad of people to make things work...but without pilots everyone else can stay home.
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PTH,
As 411 says...there are always pilots available...the Marketing and Financial guys in the Ivory Tower are the ones who make the whole thing work...
Like it or not, that's the way it is...
And BTW...a 737NG Capt at AA probably has more seniority than their counterpart at Spirit...
As 411 says...there are always pilots available...the Marketing and Financial guys in the Ivory Tower are the ones who make the whole thing work...
Like it or not, that's the way it is...
And BTW...a 737NG Capt at AA probably has more seniority than their counterpart at Spirit...
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AA caps out at 12 years like Spirit so longevity beyond that doesn't affect pay. Yes, if Spirit gets 185 AA will get 220. AA just needs to be released to cooling off like Spirit was. We have been trying to reach this point as long as Spirit. AA going on strike will have a much bigger impact so the RLA will be pushed to it's max to delay cooling off. However as soon as they will eventually have to AMR will get serious about negotiating. They won't until this happens as we have seen.
As pilots we need to ignore the few posters previous to this post that say pilots are a dime a dozen so just take what they give you. They said this before the Spirit strike. Thank God the Spirit pilots didn't listen to them.
I was walking the picket line the night of AA's strike which Clinton stopped after 20 minutes. I expect the same thing will happen when we strike again. The positive part of that strike was that we made the company negotiate a fair contract.
As pilots we need to ignore the few posters previous to this post that say pilots are a dime a dozen so just take what they give you. They said this before the Spirit strike. Thank God the Spirit pilots didn't listen to them.
I was walking the picket line the night of AA's strike which Clinton stopped after 20 minutes. I expect the same thing will happen when we strike again. The positive part of that strike was that we made the company negotiate a fair contract.
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You claim to be management but no managers I know have time to to make over 7000 posts on PPRuNe!!!
Sadly, many pilots think the entire airline world revolves around them (and their kind)...this might be true if there was a 'shortage' however, there isn't and highly likely never will be...therefore, pilots are a dime a dozen, with some exceptions IE: very experienced Captains, TRE/IRE's etc.
Just look at a few airlines in Euroland...they wave the possibility of a pilot job and are inundated with applications from folks that will actually pay the company for the 'privilege'.
Gotta laugh at this nonsense...
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No 411A, I know plenty of managers in many different industries including aviation. was one myself many years ago! I am just amazed how you find the time to rant on pprune virtually continuously as demonstrated with your 7600--yes seven thousand six hundred posts!!!!!
So come on old boy, let us in on your secret, how do you find the time? The managers I know put in 10 -12 hour days not including traveling. The last thing they would want to do after that is bang out seven thousand posts on here!
My guess is that you are in fact managing no more than a single ac operation in arizona with maybe a seneca??? maybe doing night mail??? am I close?? You certainly have failed to reach a position in any of the legacy carriers as demonstrated by your constant vitrol aimed particularly at A.A pilots. So come on, how many times have you been rejected by them? or indeed any of the others, (Delta, United,North West etc. etc.)
What in fact you are is a very sad, bitter, twisted soul with literally nothing else to fill your existence other than knocking individuals on here. If it was me, I'd be reaching for the 12 guage!!!
So come on old boy, let us in on your secret, how do you find the time? The managers I know put in 10 -12 hour days not including traveling. The last thing they would want to do after that is bang out seven thousand posts on here!
My guess is that you are in fact managing no more than a single ac operation in arizona with maybe a seneca??? maybe doing night mail??? am I close?? You certainly have failed to reach a position in any of the legacy carriers as demonstrated by your constant vitrol aimed particularly at A.A pilots. So come on, how many times have you been rejected by them? or indeed any of the others, (Delta, United,North West etc. etc.)
What in fact you are is a very sad, bitter, twisted soul with literally nothing else to fill your existence other than knocking individuals on here. If it was me, I'd be reaching for the 12 guage!!!
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So come on old boy, let us in on your secret, how do you find the time?
A heavy jet Captain for over thirty five years...how about you?
PS: attacking the poster is always considered poor form, especially when you have nothing of value regarding the posted subject.
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Looking at the replies to those of us who do not agree with the Spirit Airlines pilot strike, the comments, anger, sarcasm, inuendo and the like worries me as to see these childish scribblings by so called professional pilots, who must exercise constraint, calm logic thinking with quick decisive decision making, look like they are demonstrating anything but.
If you have the time to scribe comments as such while some of us are attempting to have a reasoned debate, certainly concerns me getting on an aircraft with attitudes demonstrated. God help them when it goes wrong up their, will they spit their dummies out in equal vitriolic manner?
If the Spirit crews have indeed won their case then very best of luck, have many years of safe flying.
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If you have the time to scribe comments as such while some of us are attempting to have a reasoned debate, certainly concerns me getting on an aircraft with attitudes demonstrated. God help them when it goes wrong up their, will they spit their dummies out in equal vitriolic manner?
If the Spirit crews have indeed won their case then very best of luck, have many years of safe flying.
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It would seem to be "Situation Normal" at Spirit again:
Spirit Airlines: 'Check Out The Oil On Our Beaches!' (PHOTO)
Spirit Airlines: 'Check Out The Oil On Our Beaches!' (PHOTO)
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I have no reason to believe that 411 isn't what he says he is. Now, I may disagree with his views, but I believe he has been and may currently be a wideboy (L1011) captain.
let us all say who we are and we can believe it...I was brought up to think my word is my bond. I hope you are all the same way.
let us all say who we are and we can believe it...I was brought up to think my word is my bond. I hope you are all the same way.
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411A doesn't have a high opinion of airline pilots and loves management. I personally don't think he is who he says he is. He seems very angry at pilots wanting to further their careers. He seems to know pretty much what is going on in the industry but don't believe his BS.
I'm with protectthehornet on this... I may not agree with 411A's views but I reckon he is indeed a L-1011 Captain, maybe even Chief Pilot, for an outfit perhaps based in Africa?? In any event his insight into the line pilot psyche is spot on, especially the dog eat dog mentality.....
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Do the math. This guy is at least 69 or 70 and it's unlikey that he is flying anything these days. The fact that he has enjoyed many years on the L1011 is nice but that alone does not make him an authority on anything beyond that. Most of it is in his own imagination.
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the best pilot I ever flew with was in his 60's...he flew planes that aren't flown anymore except in airshows.
this guy taught me more about flying in five minutes than I learned in years in other venues.
so don't disparage an older pilot who flew or flies a superior type of airplane like the L1011.
now, I don't agree with 411 and some of his views, but flying one of the airliners ahead of its time, by a company synonymous with incredible airplanes is NOTHING to sneeze at.
But 411 and I don't agree about pilots...oh well
the best pilot I ever flew with was in his 60's...he flew planes that aren't flown anymore except in airshows.
this guy taught me more about flying in five minutes than I learned in years in other venues.
so don't disparage an older pilot who flew or flies a superior type of airplane like the L1011.
now, I don't agree with 411 and some of his views, but flying one of the airliners ahead of its time, by a company synonymous with incredible airplanes is NOTHING to sneeze at.
But 411 and I don't agree about pilots...oh well
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I'll back PTH on 411A's experience...I almost had a chance to work for him on the 727 years ago in the Far East...As to his views, I tend to agree more than disagree....but not always...
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his insight into the line pilot psyche is spot on, especially the dog eat dog mentality....
Most (but not all) airline pilots today are at the mercy of the company, they call the shots, the pilots either accept...or do without.
Yes, ALPO (etc) win a few battles, however, the ultimate facts are...the pilots play second fiddle to the company.
This is especially true in Euroland, where the pay-to-fly idea has caught on in a major way.
Silly fools...a sucker born every minute.
However, a superb idea from the airlines perspective...what a deal
Do the math. This guy is at least 69 or 70 and it's unlikey that he is flying anything these days.
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Your full of it 411A. If you were flying the 1649A Starliner when you told me you were, unless you were only eighteen at the time, your surely over 65 these days. Nothing wrong with that but your stories just don't add up.
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PTH, Nothing was meant to demean 411A's TriStar time. I only have around 4,000 in it so a mere mortal like myself is probably not worthy of any comments. Having 20,000 in an airplane that is not in service anymore is meaningless, unless you plan to write a book about it