Air India IX-212 just 2 minutes from crashing into sea !
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Patrickal, Burger Thing.... YEP! Got to agree. If you don't learn to laugh sometimes then you'll spend waaaay too much time crying. Thanks for the laugh, but not for the imagery that I am trying to get rid of!
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Word is that the aircraft lost 30,000 feet and hit Mach.90 +. Seems possible the FO inadvertently applied pressure to the control column, tripped the auto flight system into CWS (Control Wheel Steering), didn't notice and his continued pressure on the stick resulted in the 23 degree high dive. B737-800 drivers - is this possible?
DGCA is now actively considering a shutdown (temp or permanent?) of Air India Express. More cans-of-worms to be opened shortly!
DGCA is now actively considering a shutdown (temp or permanent?) of Air India Express. More cans-of-worms to be opened shortly!
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Media reports on Aviation = Coffee break Jokes.....
The Truth when it comes out post Investigation will not be as Dramatic.
All Reporters should be needing a Basic knowledge of a subject before posting on it.
The Truth when it comes out post Investigation will not be as Dramatic.
All Reporters should be needing a Basic knowledge of a subject before posting on it.
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Another serious incident, this time involving Blue Dart Aviation:
Incident: Blue Dart B752 at Mumbai and Bangalore on Jun 9th 2010, "mowed" runway edge lights on takeoff
Sounds like a rather unusual takeoff run ...
Incident: Blue Dart B752 at Mumbai and Bangalore on Jun 9th 2010, "mowed" runway edge lights on takeoff
Sounds like a rather unusual takeoff run ...
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It's high time DGCA starts looking into NSOP category tooo , the training ,operating and safety standards just dont exist there .... seriously flying for NSOP can very scary !!!!!
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Leave it to the Times of India to spin the India Air Express high dive and Blue Dart lawn maintenance takeoff and landing into an expat thing.
By the way let's not forget about IBN-CNN to do the same.
Both are the masters of disaster in journalism.
By the way let's not forget about IBN-CNN to do the same.
Both are the masters of disaster in journalism.
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Could be another can-of-worms about to be opened. The CMD (Chairman, Managing Director) of NACIL (parent of AI and AIX), prior to the present one, has been implicated in a scam over ex-pat salaries. Looks like he has been taking thousands of USD per month per ex-pat captain, as the difference between the sums billed to AI and those actually paid to each captain (we are talking serious money here, over the time span this has been happening and the hundreds of ex-pats involved). Maybe he should have spent a little more time overseeing Air India Express (before he was fired by the Minister), rather than time supervising his personal foreign bank account?
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Cracked windscreen in a "Gripper". Emergency descent.
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No, but you had to push the nose down somewhat to keep the 365kts IAS that we descended at. With just 1&3 in reverse and 2 at 11000, the HS121 would go down at > 12,000 fpm - even at 280 kts. Wind the speed up to 365 and close 2 and anything was possible.
Glueball:
If you don't know what a Gripper is, how would you know what the procedures were? I can't see what difference IAS would have on a cracked windscreen, it would be all down to cabin diff.
Glueball:
If you don't know what a Gripper is, how would you know what the procedures were? I can't see what difference IAS would have on a cracked windscreen, it would be all down to cabin diff.
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...I wouldn't be making an "emergency" descent and be building up more speed with a cracked windshield...
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I don't know what a "Gripper" is
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Word is that the aircraft lost 30,000 feet and hit Mach.90 +. Seems possible the FO inadvertently applied pressure to the control column, tripped the auto flight system into CWS (Control Wheel Steering), didn't notice and his continued pressure on the stick resulted in the 23 degree high dive. B737-800 drivers - is this possible?
DGCA is now actively considering a shutdown (temp or permanent?) of Air India Express. More cans-of-worms to be opened shortly!
DGCA is now actively considering a shutdown (temp or permanent?) of Air India Express. More cans-of-worms to be opened shortly!
Pushed on the control column while moving the seat forward(shouldn’t happen if seated properly).
Then his recovery seemed to be more about further pushing while in a nose down attitude. Captain had to override him after returning(via safety code entry which takes 30 seconds) to the cockpit.
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https://www.aviation-accidents.net/r...oad.php?id=127
Pushed on the control column while moving the seat forward(shouldn’t happen if seated properly).
Then his recovery seemed to be more about further pushing while in a nose down attitude. Captain had to override him after returning(via safety code entry which takes 30 seconds) to the cockpit.
Pushed on the control column while moving the seat forward(shouldn’t happen if seated properly).
Then his recovery seemed to be more about further pushing while in a nose down attitude. Captain had to override him after returning(via safety code entry which takes 30 seconds) to the cockpit.
I have no clue, but this part is funny:
"The airplane arrived in Bangalore with a flat tyre as well as metal and glass pieces, that the aircraft manufacturer hadn't designed to be in the landing gear, but managed a safe landing about 90 minutes after departure from Mumbai."
"The airplane arrived in Bangalore with a flat tyre as well as metal and glass pieces, that the aircraft manufacturer hadn't designed to be in the landing gear, but managed a safe landing about 90 minutes after departure from Mumbai."
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Air India 2006
After retiring from Delta in 2004 as a B-777 Captain and then having Delta take my retirement, I applied to Air India as they were looking for B-777 Captains. During the process I was told I could have a copilot with as little as 250 hours and he could not touch the controls until he had a minimum of 1000 hours with a Check Pilot.
I decided that was not for me and stayed home.
I decided that was not for me and stayed home.
