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Air India IX-212 just 2 minutes from crashing into sea !

Old 5th Jun 2010, 14:47
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Patrickal, Burger Thing.... YEP! Got to agree. If you don't learn to laugh sometimes then you'll spend waaaay too much time crying. Thanks for the laugh, but not for the imagery that I am trying to get rid of!
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Old 10th Jun 2010, 10:18
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Word is that the aircraft lost 30,000 feet and hit Mach.90 +. Seems possible the FO inadvertently applied pressure to the control column, tripped the auto flight system into CWS (Control Wheel Steering), didn't notice and his continued pressure on the stick resulted in the 23 degree high dive. B737-800 drivers - is this possible?

DGCA is now actively considering a shutdown (temp or permanent?) of Air India Express. More cans-of-worms to be opened shortly!
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Old 10th Jun 2010, 11:42
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Media reports on Aviation = Coffee break Jokes.....

The Truth when it comes out post Investigation will not be as Dramatic.

All Reporters should be needing a Basic knowledge of a subject before posting on it.
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Old 10th Jun 2010, 15:29
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Another serious incident, this time involving Blue Dart Aviation:

Incident: Blue Dart B752 at Mumbai and Bangalore on Jun 9th 2010, "mowed" runway edge lights on takeoff

Sounds like a rather unusual takeoff run ...
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Old 10th Jun 2010, 16:21
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It's high time DGCA starts looking into NSOP category tooo , the training ,operating and safety standards just dont exist there .... seriously flying for NSOP can very scary !!!!!
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Old 10th Jun 2010, 19:22
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Leave it to the Times of India to spin the India Air Express high dive and Blue Dart lawn maintenance takeoff and landing into an expat thing.

By the way let's not forget about IBN-CNN to do the same.

Both are the masters of disaster in journalism.
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Old 11th Jun 2010, 13:34
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Could be another can-of-worms about to be opened. The CMD (Chairman, Managing Director) of NACIL (parent of AI and AIX), prior to the present one, has been implicated in a scam over ex-pat salaries. Looks like he has been taking thousands of USD per month per ex-pat captain, as the difference between the sums billed to AI and those actually paid to each captain (we are talking serious money here, over the time span this has been happening and the hundreds of ex-pats involved). Maybe he should have spent a little more time overseeing Air India Express (before he was fired by the Minister), rather than time supervising his personal foreign bank account?
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Old 11th Jun 2010, 20:39
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Something wrong with it, Gob? It's only a bit over 180kts TAS
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Old 12th Jun 2010, 12:06
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Prober . . .

Cracked windscreen in a "Gripper". Emergency descent.
I don't know what a "Gripper" is, but I wouldn't be making an "emergency" descent and be building up more speed with a cracked windshield. In fact, the procedure is just the opposite: Make a normal descent, raise cabin altitude to 9000 feet.
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Old 12th Jun 2010, 12:17
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Glueball,
Hawker Siddeley Trident - AKA HS Groundgripper.

Very much doubt that you had to increase forward speed much to descend if you have an engine in Full Reverse
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Old 14th Jun 2010, 05:32
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No, but you had to push the nose down somewhat to keep the 365kts IAS that we descended at. With just 1&3 in reverse and 2 at 11000, the HS121 would go down at > 12,000 fpm - even at 280 kts. Wind the speed up to 365 and close 2 and anything was possible.

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If you don't know what a Gripper is, how would you know what the procedures were? I can't see what difference IAS would have on a cracked windscreen, it would be all down to cabin diff.
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Old 14th Jun 2010, 08:58
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Originally Posted by Glueball
...I wouldn't be making an "emergency" descent and be building up more speed with a cracked windshield...
I'm not familiar with the exact nature of static and dynamic loads on the windscreen, however I would assume the forces exerted by the pressure differential are significantly higher than the aerodynamic loading at normal cruise levels. I would think increasing speed (and aerodynamic loading) would actually lower the risk of a cracked windscreen blowing out... Anybody out there who actually has the numbers ?
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Old 14th Jun 2010, 21:27
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Friend had a 727 windshield shatter. It bowed out, not in, after shattering.
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Old 15th Jun 2010, 02:25
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I don't know what a "Gripper" is
it seems it maybe when ones butt grips the seat so tight that you couldn't pull a needle out of there with a locomotive
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Old 12th Nov 2022, 15:57
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Originally Posted by jstars2
Word is that the aircraft lost 30,000 feet and hit Mach.90 +. Seems possible the FO inadvertently applied pressure to the control column, tripped the auto flight system into CWS (Control Wheel Steering), didn't notice and his continued pressure on the stick resulted in the 23 degree high dive. B737-800 drivers - is this possible?

DGCA is now actively considering a shutdown (temp or permanent?) of Air India Express. More cans-of-worms to be opened shortly!
https://www.aviation-accidents.net/r...oad.php?id=127

Pushed on the control column while moving the seat forward(shouldn’t happen if seated properly).

Then his recovery seemed to be more about further pushing while in a nose down attitude. Captain had to override him after returning(via safety code entry which takes 30 seconds) to the cockpit.
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Old 12th Nov 2022, 16:22
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Originally Posted by punkalouver
https://www.aviation-accidents.net/r...oad.php?id=127

Pushed on the control column while moving the seat forward(shouldn’t happen if seated properly).

Then his recovery seemed to be more about further pushing while in a nose down attitude. Captain had to override him after returning(via safety code entry which takes 30 seconds) to the cockpit.
Why the topic after 12 years?
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Old 13th Nov 2022, 00:35
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Originally Posted by vilas
Why the topic after 12 years?
I have no clue, but this part is funny:
"The airplane arrived in Bangalore with a flat tyre as well as metal and glass pieces, that the aircraft manufacturer hadn't designed to be in the landing gear, but managed a safe landing about 90 minutes after departure from Mumbai."
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Old 13th Nov 2022, 01:09
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Oh dea

!As a fare paying passenger I should not read anything on pprune !!
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Old 13th Nov 2022, 09:09
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Air India 2006

After retiring from Delta in 2004 as a B-777 Captain and then having Delta take my retirement, I applied to Air India as they were looking for B-777 Captains. During the process I was told I could have a copilot with as little as 250 hours and he could not touch the controls until he had a minimum of 1000 hours with a Check Pilot.
I decided that was not for me and stayed home.
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