Gulf Air cutbacks?
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From: Wythenshawe
Gulf Air cutbacks?
Just heard that the A320 fleet is being trimmed, and consequent redundancies have been made...naturally the expats to go first. What is the value of a Contract of Employment these days? Anyway, sympathy and Good Luck to the returning crews..
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From: desert
Hey Donaldson, hope you had a good coffee to start your day with.First a company to maitain the reputation it doesn't have to have expatriate, the bediuns (arabs) can be professionals as any other nationals. and second,by triming a fleet size that does not mean the standard is going down as well but, it is the opposite, About A340s nothing yet and GF is looking at it . 
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From: Surrounded by aluminum, and the great outdoors
Hi Donaldson....skin color/religion/race/sexual persuasion/gender have nothing to do with a human's ability to operate an aircraft...who survives and who doesn't is anybody's guess these days...the old crystal ball is at best hazy nowadays...ride 'em all the time...never hesitate to do it again...and like lots of other airlines, they are seeking unbaised, outside opinions/consultation...so let's root for the home team..
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From: Les Portes du Soleil
tulips,
Not funny. If you're going to pick on people who are unable to write in English without making spelling errors, go for those who are obviously native English speakers first. You'll find plenty of occasions to double up with laughter. And apart from that, read Ironbutt's post again, and include 'ability to write in English as a foreign language'. Be aware, we'll be watching your posts from now on, better use your spell checker!
Not funny. If you're going to pick on people who are unable to write in English without making spelling errors, go for those who are obviously native English speakers first. You'll find plenty of occasions to double up with laughter. And apart from that, read Ironbutt's post again, and include 'ability to write in English as a foreign language'. Be aware, we'll be watching your posts from now on, better use your spell checker!
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From: Brisbane
Attn. 411A
I'm not a computer geek so this may not be the most efficient way of getting the GF072 Crash Report.
Click on the rumours section,
Open the thread "New clues deepen AA587 crash mystery"
The first entry is made by GAUNTY, he has a web page highlighted, you'll find the report there.
I'm not a computer geek so this may not be the most efficient way of getting the GF072 Crash Report.
Click on the rumours section,
Open the thread "New clues deepen AA587 crash mystery"
The first entry is made by GAUNTY, he has a web page highlighted, you'll find the report there.
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From: Bahrain
Why is it when you have no educated comment to make you revert to racial abuse?
First of all get your facts straight, no expat pilot has been made redundant, secondly I can assure you that the art of cocking up has no racial boundaries.
411A
So according to your reasoning this makes all locals incompetent, frankly with reasoning like that you do not belong in aviation.
First of all get your facts straight, no expat pilot has been made redundant, secondly I can assure you that the art of cocking up has no racial boundaries.
411A
What...GF072 forgotten already? Was it not a local in charge...and it crashed
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From: Uranus
CaptA320,
I think youve totally mis-judged 411A's post, whenever anyone dares to raise this thorny issue the same old bores cry 'racist'...............
Whilst I dont always agree with 411's posts I know he has a lot of experience of both flying and management and dosnt have to resort to 'racism' to get his point over.
I think youve totally mis-judged 411A's post, whenever anyone dares to raise this thorny issue the same old bores cry 'racist'...............
Whilst I dont always agree with 411's posts I know he has a lot of experience of both flying and management and dosnt have to resort to 'racism' to get his point over.
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From: desert
Hey TULIPS,or is it 2 LIPS, Well i hope u understood what i wrote, if there were mistakes, i think my point was understood to many..
pls try and write in arabic,and see if you can write as good as i write in your language!
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pls try and write in arabic,and see if you can write as good as i write in your language!
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From: A sandy island
Gantenbein, GF_001. Criticism noted and point taken.
There is a difference between writing in your second language and just plain laziness, evident in the post. Yes, I would have great difficulty in reading your Arabic; no doubt you would struggle with my French or CaptA320's Greek!
I did not mention the GF 072 disaster that 411A did, knowing the predictable howls from CaptA320, but unfortunately what he mentioned is relevant. The longer real or potential problems are hidden behind the cloak of being politically correct, the more chance there is of further problems. And I assure you, what we do NOT need in this company are more problems.
Those who were in GF 10 or more years ago (well before you joined, Steve!), will recall a far better-managed and happier airline. So what has changed? Too many new expat managers? Maybe not. I do not intend to indulge in mudslinging on this forum, but one has to face facts as they are, and our current predicament speaks for itself.
I know that with the right action GF can be turned around and start being rebuilt into the airline it once was. With the right action.
In the meantime, I will do the job to the best of my abilities, with the company's best interests at heart.
C'est la vie.
There is a difference between writing in your second language and just plain laziness, evident in the post. Yes, I would have great difficulty in reading your Arabic; no doubt you would struggle with my French or CaptA320's Greek!
I did not mention the GF 072 disaster that 411A did, knowing the predictable howls from CaptA320, but unfortunately what he mentioned is relevant. The longer real or potential problems are hidden behind the cloak of being politically correct, the more chance there is of further problems. And I assure you, what we do NOT need in this company are more problems.
Those who were in GF 10 or more years ago (well before you joined, Steve!), will recall a far better-managed and happier airline. So what has changed? Too many new expat managers? Maybe not. I do not intend to indulge in mudslinging on this forum, but one has to face facts as they are, and our current predicament speaks for itself.
I know that with the right action GF can be turned around and start being rebuilt into the airline it once was. With the right action.
In the meantime, I will do the job to the best of my abilities, with the company's best interests at heart.
C'est la vie.
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From: Bahrain
Merci bien Tulips , and as far as 411A's comments StressFree, I will beg to differ. Consistently without fail he joins in topics purely to display his vitriolic personality or just antagonise others.........even old bores like me 
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, and as far as 411A's comments StressFree, I will beg to differ. Consistently without fail he joins in topics purely to display his vitriolic personality or just antagonise others.........even old bores like me [ 17 November 2001: Message edited by: CaptA320 ]
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From: Bahrain
Rumours and speculation. Apart from the 40 cabin crew who got their jotters unceremoniously a couple of weeks ago, I have heard of nothing definite yet.
Mind you, could be my sources don't know either, which wouldn't be surprising considering how senior they are.
Lettuce w8 & C
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Mind you, could be my sources don't know either, which wouldn't be surprising considering how senior they are.
Lettuce w8 & C
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From: Bahrain
Thanks for at least a "refrained" response 411A, although I must admit I cannot correlate it with the present discussion.
Try not to be so condescending towards others, that way they will value (or in fact even listen to) your opinion and your experience.
I believe the CRM guys call it effective communication. If you start a statement with "you idiot" whatever you say after that will be pretty much neglected.
If you want some insider information regarding GF072 I can tell you that we have even looked at the full comuter animation from Airbus of the track of 072 in the last training meeting. The airline was in no way obliged to do that but the fact that they did tells me a lot. Likewise since GF072 many changes have taken place. A proper CRM course has been established, a train the trainer program has been established to include teaching techniques and the evaluation of non-technical skills through LOFT (NOTHECHS course). We are moving from "event based" training and checking to full LOFT.
So really that tells me that the airline is making a serious effort to correct the sortfalls of the past. GF072 was a human factors issue and it's exactly that the airline is trying to educate us on.
Try not to be so condescending towards others, that way they will value (or in fact even listen to) your opinion and your experience.
I believe the CRM guys call it effective communication. If you start a statement with "you idiot" whatever you say after that will be pretty much neglected.
If you want some insider information regarding GF072 I can tell you that we have even looked at the full comuter animation from Airbus of the track of 072 in the last training meeting. The airline was in no way obliged to do that but the fact that they did tells me a lot. Likewise since GF072 many changes have taken place. A proper CRM course has been established, a train the trainer program has been established to include teaching techniques and the evaluation of non-technical skills through LOFT (NOTHECHS course). We are moving from "event based" training and checking to full LOFT.
So really that tells me that the airline is making a serious effort to correct the sortfalls of the past. GF072 was a human factors issue and it's exactly that the airline is trying to educate us on.
