Air India Express B738 crash

[aditya104]

Its the 3rd of July, no report out yet?

[jimmygill]

Here is it.

Government of India, Ministry of Civil Aviation

[10DowningSt]

100 pushups in under a minute, 30 Chinups in under a minute and run 3200 meters under 11 minutes

They're some athletes, then.........how many actually pass these tests?

[arem]

I doubt if I could have when I was a youngster - loooong time ago - let alone now!!!!!

[avionimc]

Here is it.
Government of India, Ministry of Civil Aviation

Maybe I am missing something. In the above link, if you look at the first picture of the Photographs of Mangalore Crash it shows a red mark (plane crash) before the approach end of RWY 24 (i.e.: end of RWY 06)?

Also, the picture is several years old, apparently taken from Google Maps?

Surprising for an official report of such significance.

[A4]

Well as an interim report it tells us........... nothing? The attached photos are also confusing. Why does it show the crash site at the 24/27 threshold area? It went off the end of 24. If they can make such a fundamental error in an official report it doesn't give me much confidence to the validity of the final one.

Or is it me.

A4

We were typing together avionimc....

[aditya104]

Nothing significant in the initial investigation report. More than half of the report is about the credentials of the investigation team.
@avionimc @A4
Use Contact to notify them of the error. And also tell them that you will pass on the information to the press if they don't rectify within 24 hrs

[av8r76]

You guys are waiting for something that's never gonna happen. If and when a report does see the light of day it will gloss over all the facts and mitigating circumstances and just assign blame on the pilots.... case closed and a job well done by the politically influenced team of so called investigators.

No recommendations for SSR, grooved rwys, practical FDTLs or just plain basic safety standards for aircrew training. It's all the pilots fault.

The AF 447 crash saw a flurry of regular updates with relevant and pertinent information slowly unravelling the accident...... what does our esteemed DGCA have to show so far?

As I said it's gonna be a perpetual waiting game.

[TopTup]

Should we act shocked? After all, who saw this coming?

EVERYONE

Well, ANYONE with ANY first hand experience with the DGCA and / or AI. (Except for those still denying what they cannot or have not the experience to).

[jimmygill]

Another one From the Court of Inquiry

I believe lots of people would have emailed them about the wrong placement of the crash site. They have now changed the map.

The new position is departure end of Runway 27.

We must salute Air Marshal Bhushan Neelkanth Gokhale.

[RegDep]

jimmygill

Opened the link, it was there, closed the link, took a glass of water, opened the link again. It was still there.

I join your salute.

[strella]

Let us hope the report comes out soon. The CVR should have been analysed by now.

[aditya104]

someone did inform the press!

Mangalore crash report gets runway wrong - India - The Times of India

[aditya104]

Air Marshal Bhushan Neelkanth Gokhale should b stripped of his designation of Air Marshall they are making the investigation a joke

I salute him though.........

[Capn Bloggs]

Speaking of attention to detail, from the TOI article (0416 UTC, 9Jul2010):

TOI has carried the picture released by the investigation team and an another one which shows the actual site of the crash.

Don't throw stones in glass houses...

[leftseatview]

Nailed it finally

Ok they have finally nailed the crash site.
Good to know that they are atleast open to "help" from any source.
Hope they make the CVR and FDR transcripts available in some time.
If its an open and shut approach/landing accident, then being transparent is the best thing that the investigation can do.

[aditya104]

Rule:Preliminary report to b finalized within 10 days of accident

8.1 Preliminary report by the Inspector of Accidents/ Inquiry Officer should be finalized within ten days of the accident as stipulated in the appointment order and in the format of ICAO and provided in procedure manual for Aircraft Accident/Incident investigation of DGCA. It shall contain the requisite information including any safety hazard, either in human factor, Aircraft factor and/or any other relevant factor that is prima facie evident during the early stages of investigation such as lack of piloting proficiency if any or any unwarranted disregard of safety requirements, in case these are obvious to enable framing and implementation of immediate corrective safety measures.

Source CAR India Section5 Series C Part I

In short the inspector should have finalised the preliminary report bu Jun 2. That didn't happen. So, the inspector has broken a rule. He is liable for the appropriate penalty.
Also reported by DGCA misses own deadline on Mangalore crash report - India - The Times of India

[stepwilk]

Seems to me "should" does not make a rule. "Must" or "shall" would do the job.

[jimmygill]

The ATC transcript doing rounds in media

ATC 6.04.17 a.m. “Wind calm, runway 24 clear to land,”
IX812 6.04.22 a.m. “Clear to land Express.”
IX812 6.04.38 a.m. “Go around captain”
ATC 6.05.04 a.m. “Express India 812 back track runway 24, vacate via Delta.”
IX812 6.05.21 a.m. “control”

ATC 6.09.29 a.m. “Express India 812, Mangalore control correction Express India 812 Mangalore Tower”
ATC 6.09.39 a.m. “Express India 812, Mangalore Tower.”

Co-pilot’s cries went in vain

[silent_scream]

Can we be sure these transcripts are the real copy of CVR ?
And the DFDR data is required to match the panic. But that will most probably never come out.