Ash clouds threaten air traffic
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From: L.A.
Anotherthing:
This period of 'knee jerk reaction' has seen SAR helicopters getting airborne in Scotland, flying low level and coming back covered in ash. Do you think it is a reasonable risk for passenger jets to get airborne with that in mind?
This period of 'knee jerk reaction' has seen SAR helicopters getting airborne in Scotland, flying low level and coming back covered in ash. Do you think it is a reasonable risk for passenger jets to get airborne with that in mind?
And what did the boroscope of the engines show?
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From: US
It's not a case of any country "taking the lead". The conditions in the skies above any country are different to those in neighbouring countries, and I presume that the specific conditions over Germany now make it possible to lift certain restrictions in that country.
Was a figure of speech... Wasn't intending to appear as if it was a true "race".
However, Met predictions show Germany in a slightly MORE affected area than UK at the current time... So, if planes are getting through without incident, one would hope that at some point other countries in same "degree" of affectedness may follow suit. Clearly, safety is primary concern, but perhaps this loosening of restrictions will provide anectodal evidence that other more cautious countries are looking for to justify their own opening of airspace....
And last I checked, the cloud couldn't discern what country it was over... highly doubt it changed density/altitude at the border....
But ya never know...
Was a figure of speech... Wasn't intending to appear as if it was a true "race".
However, Met predictions show Germany in a slightly MORE affected area than UK at the current time... So, if planes are getting through without incident, one would hope that at some point other countries in same "degree" of affectedness may follow suit. Clearly, safety is primary concern, but perhaps this loosening of restrictions will provide anectodal evidence that other more cautious countries are looking for to justify their own opening of airspace....
And last I checked, the cloud couldn't discern what country it was over... highly doubt it changed density/altitude at the border....
But ya never know...
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From: Antipodean exile
Irish Airspace remains close to 13.00 Sunday 18th
Irish Aviation Authority: Restrictions on Irish airspace extended to 13.00 Sunday. "No commercial traffic including N American flights will operate from any Irish airport during this period." Further update at 11.00 Sun morning.
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From: Nr EGNV
Sky news now reporting UK Airspace closed until 7AM Sunday! If the bigger volcano goes off which could happen within the next 2 years we're going to be stuffed. Titan seem to be using their A109 a lot today!
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From: Hants
If the bigger volcano goes off which could happen within the next 2 years we're going to be stuffed
The more normal, Polar Maritime airstream, i.e. South Westerlies will help clear things away, though maybe not in the immediate future. Instead of doom and gloom predictions for the next two years, people should remember their basic meterology and the normal air flows...
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From: somerset
Not all airports are closed and not all flights are grounded. VFR is allowed , as is IFR flight outside NATS controlled airspace. Not good for pax traffic for sure but plenty flying around. 150 ish movements at Bournemouth yesterday for example
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From: North of England
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Um, no. It is not apparent from the picture you have displayed where the ash is. It cannot be picked up on normal radar, and is a very fine particulate which cannot always be seen visually.
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From: Near VTUU or EGPX
What are military transport doing to get in/out of UK airspace
My guess is Friday before any significant improvement unless the volcano stops erupting.
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From: u.k.
Heathrow Director,Anthony GA's & others suggestions that a/c fly into the ash cloud over the UK and then inspect for any damage is not insane it is the only way to get empirical evidence of acceptable ash density levels,we need to be proactive if things do not improve,I for one would be perfectly prepared to do this research as would most other pilots (I've asked around).If we just sit on our arses wringing our hands,we can kiss goodbye to our industry.
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From: UK
So, let's be really pessimistic here. Say the situation in the UK lasts for another ten days, how is this going to impact on our own individual airlines? Times are tough enough without this headache for our bean counters. Wondering how long it will be before the wage bill is looked at.....and the subsequent implications of that too? I am enjoying the time off at home with the family but wondering where I put last weeks Flight magazine.....can't imagine I'm on my own with these considerations.
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From: over french airspace
Hello,
To airseb :
1- NATS do not ALL arrive in UK simply because NO NATS arrive in UK but only in portugal
2- The fact that all the french airspace and all french airports are closed is completely false ! Some airports are only closed to IFR and commercial traffic (ie. LFBH and so on..) There's about 30 airports closed.
To airseb :
most of you are talking about nats, it's decisions and the traffick arriving into the uk. i know you live on an island and that makes for a certain outlook, i guess, but all of the other civil aviation authorities of northern europe have taken the same decision.
and an aircraft arriving from say spain would have to fly through (at least) france, where the airspace is closed, not only contolled airspace, ALL civilian airspace. so no vfr, ifr or other imagination.
and an aircraft arriving from say spain would have to fly through (at least) france, where the airspace is closed, not only contolled airspace, ALL civilian airspace. so no vfr, ifr or other imagination.
2- The fact that all the french airspace and all french airports are closed is completely false ! Some airports are only closed to IFR and commercial traffic (ie. LFBH and so on..) There's about 30 airports closed.
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From: UK
Thought this might be of interest.
PICTURES: Finnish F-18 engine check reveals effects of volcanic dust-16/04/2010-London-Flightglobal.com
PICTURES: Finnish F-18 engine check reveals effects of volcanic dust-16/04/2010-London-Flightglobal.com