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American Eagle pilot suspended after lying about background

Old 6th Apr 2010, 09:57
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and make them commute thousands of miles
The pilot's choice, not the airline.....

Bloom:
You are so wrong, so out of line with this comment that I can't post my thoughts. You are as bad, no worse, than the gentleman in question. STFU.
Well said, Bloom.

Yes, if airlines did not change your base every other year, and refuse to pay any relocation, let alone care about children's education; or go bust with regular monotony, or only employ contract pilots for a season - one might be able to settle and put down a few roots.

But who is going to move to a new location for a flea-bitten outfit that might not last two years and will only order you to move to a new base next year anyway?


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Old 8th Apr 2010, 01:01
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And to top it all he is doing the walk around with a flashlight the he is NOT allowed to sue, its the emergency flashlight from the cockpit.
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Old 10th Apr 2010, 06:06
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F-16 time?

Wonder if T.Martins "logged" multi engine time for "flying formation" in his viper? There is of course a well known gent in HKG who did so from the Singapore airforce... twin engine for a pair... B744 for a section?... probably an AN-225 for an alpha strike. Have a mid air and log multi-crew time too.

Don't expect much response from the FAA other than license suspension if there is any false documentation. The FAA is limited to forwarding anything of great import to the DoJ to action, and they are not overly interested.

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Old 10th Apr 2010, 13:00
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LET HE WHO IS WITHOUT SIN CAST THE FIRST STONE!
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Old 11th Apr 2010, 22:39
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Wink

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He's an idiot, but I myself carry a flashlight on walkarounds in the daytime. I use it to check the wheelwells and the engines, and it helps me spot the door pins when the little windows get grimy.

Yeah, but I bet you're 'old fashioned' and press that button that says 'ON' when you use yours ...
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Old 12th Apr 2010, 13:18
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Isn't it ironic? He's actually a pilot pretending to be someone else. Usually it's the other way around. By all accounts he's a bit of Walter Mitty character. But like all the best Walts he has actually done something interesting, albeit an FO in a commuter airline. Like the former naval officer mentioned on the Jetblast thread on Walts who served honourably but without distinction on a ship during the Falklands war but later turned himself into a Sea Harrier pilot.

There are a lot of people who feel they have to make up stories about their lives.
How do we know the article was not fabricated by the writer? ...seems kinda dopey for him to make up stuff for an article.
Actually that makes complete sense. It's almost instinct for people like that to make stuff up. It gets so you actually cannot tell truth from fiction with them. Even the smallest incidents are exaggerated into dramatic tales. The magazine article was a gift from heaven for him.

I know someone like that. She is incredibly plausible. Dangerously so at times. She lies so convincingly that I think at times she actually believes what she's saying. But like all good Walts she is actually highly capable and actually does some good work like travelling to Africa and helping build houses. Except that her role is hugely exaggerated.

Tim will lose his job but will bounce back. They always do.

What I cannot understand is how that article made it to print. Don't they have any critical faculty at all in their editorial department? How could anyone reading that actually believe that a 24 year old could find time to be a commuter pilot, firefighter, paramedic, fighter pilot and still have time to do charity work? Not to mention all the other stuff he finds time to do. They must be feeling pretty stupid now.
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Old 12th Apr 2010, 16:14
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What I cannot understand is how that article made it to print.
They are journalists, what do you expect?

They must be feeling pretty stupid now.
Wouldn't hold my breath
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Old 12th Apr 2010, 17:55
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I recently contacted a small FBO at a local New England airport, thinking that I might do some flight instruction in my time off from finding a vegetarian cure for cancer, searching for the real truth behind 9/11 and serving as an Archbishop in my own Catholic church. I had a very nice chat with the lady running things but then I said, "Let me show you my certificates, just so you know that I am not making anything up." She laughed at that and said that she had recently had someone show up with mega-qualifications in the oral presentation, way better than mine but no actual certificates in strict point of fact! Just another Walt, I guess.

We once knew a fellow who was flying a Citation with lots and lots of hours on type. Then the contractee came up with a new requirement, everyone to show the actual hours logged instead of just self-certifying. It is the darndest thing but by the time he was able to get back home to pick up his logbooks someone had broken into his house and stolen them! Nothing else taken, just his logbooks...

There was the guy I flew with who told me about all the times he would go in and out of Kigali, Rwanda with Sabena in the 707. Wow! He forgot to tell me that was when he was still working as a flight attendant, though, before he got his pilot's licence...

Just as on the X Files, "The truth is out there," and it usually will come around to bite you in a place that will not make you blind!
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Old 12th Apr 2010, 18:39
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Jim Hall, former chairman of the National Transportation Safety Board said if Martins lied, it should be of concern to American Eagle.
Is he implying that corporations have scruples? Are we supposed to believe in Peter Pan and the Easter Bunny as well?
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Old 12th Apr 2010, 19:54
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somone mentioned not getting paid relocation etc.

back when the job ws something really good:

paid relocation/moves
if your house wouldn't sell for a reasonable price in a reasonable time, the airline bought the house from you.

I moved once on the airline...boxed up my stuff for me...stored it...really first class.

not now boys and girls


its those regionals and low cost carriers that ruined the job.
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Old 12th Apr 2010, 22:05
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its those regionals and low cost carriers that ruined the job.
I beg to differ! It's the guys and gals that will do anything to fly for a living that are ruining the job!
They are thinking: OK I'll put up with lousy t/c now and build hours so that I can get the "real" paid job later... Guess what! It ain't gonna happen!! Cause you flying for peanuts now is undermining the "next" level and the decent paid job went bust
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Old 13th Apr 2010, 15:15
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It all starts when pilot associations and unions neglect GA!
They are guilty of only looking after their airline mates.
This leads to...............................................the cluster Fu*k we have now!
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Old 13th Apr 2010, 17:52
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There was the guy I flew with who told me about all the times he would go in and out of Kigali, Rwanda with Sabena in the 707. Wow! He forgot to tell me that was when he was still working as a flight attendant, though, before he got his pilot's licence...
Reminds me of a guy in my previous company who flew Daks, Viscounts, 727's, 707's and L10's for us but used to boast about his time on the Comet when he was with BOAC, except he was a steward with BOAC on he Comet. Why bother? He had a really respectable career with us.
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Old 13th Apr 2010, 18:02
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To summarize this thread:

- That airlines will hire anybody, and not make a few phone calls to check someone out.

- That airline pilots are not shocked that thier cohorts are liars and misrepresenting their credentials.
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Old 13th Apr 2010, 18:10
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I disagree that he may well still be able to do the job well even though he is an outrageous liar.

An Airline needs to be able to trust its Captains. If I was an employer and knew an FO was a liar then I would not put them into the LHS.

Also pathological lying is a major personality fault that really should exclude somebody from being allowed to hold a licence.
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